Originally Posted By: lou_fine
 Originally Posted By: djpinkpanther67
 Originally Posted By: lou_fine


Let's hope this current scenario works out better than the one conjured up by Ewert, since it's always sad to read sob stories from cry babies who lost big money at playing the high risk game of chasing after uber HG, but otherwise, common as dirt books.


Dean,
Just because some collectors like HG books (who DOESN'T want the best possible copy they can attain?), doesn't give you the right to knock their collecting habits!
Though I am not an "uber" HG book chaser, I DO go after the best book I can possibly afford of that particular issue...
According to your post, if I try to AND win a HG book in an auction, get ripped off due to undisclosed resto/trimming, or anything undetected by CGC and state my case on the Boards, then I'm just a cry baby spouting a sob story???? WTF???
If that's your mindset then you and I will happily take a strike for that!
Have a nice day and may Greggy haunt your dreams!


Panther;

I had to go back and reread my post to see if you was actually responding to me!

At no point in my post did I say or even imply that my collecting habits are good while your collecting habits are bad, or vice versa. As I have ALWAYS stated on these boards here, everybody has different collecting interests and collect in their own unique way. It's not up to you or me to say who is right or wrong, as it is really "to each their own".

As Tim has already noted in a later post, I am normally a HG collector. I actually like your phrasing very much as I also go after the best condition book I can afford for a particular book I am after, depending upon availability. I hope you don't have a copyright on this phrase.

With respect to being a cry baby and spouting sob stories, I certainly did not mean it in the way that you seem to be taking it. If a collector gets intentionally ripped off by somebody, then I fully support them coming onto the boards here to "out" the individual. This helps to prevent other fellow collectors from being ripped off.

It seems that Tim understood what I was talking about with respect to risks inherent in the type of books that an individual choses to collect. For an extreme example, if you choose to spend over $10K for a Hero For Hire #1 or almost $10K for only a 9.6 copy of Thor #126, you should be aware of the various risks that you are exposing yourself to and always take them into account when purchasing a book.

And believe me, there are a lot of different types of risks when you are talking about 5 figures for a book, when the price being paid really has virtually nothing to do with the underlying book itself, and really everything to do about the number on the label. So, all I am really saying is don't come back and complain when one of these risks comes back and takes a bite out of your investment dollars.

In your specific example, you seem to be referring to the Ewert books. Well, if you remember back to 2003, virtually everybody on the boards here were absolutely red hot in love with Jason and his uber HG books at the time. A few members, including myself, expressed some caution and doubts with respect to how he was able to almost at will pull uber HG books out from long boxes at conventions using nothing but his eagle-sharp eyes when nobody else could do this. Especially when Jason didn't bother to respond to my questions on his eBay listings about possible work being done on the books.

Not surprisingly, I was called a lot of nasty names similar to right now, as everybody was just in an absolutely steamy love affair with Jason and his books. Needless to say, we all know the sad and unfortuante end of this story. The important thing to note is that the warning signs were already all there. You just had to use a little common sense, ask some questions, or read some of the dissenting views on the boards here.

If buyers choose to ignore the warning signs or fail to conduct due diligence and lose out, they should also take some of the responsibilities for their own actions. Once again, it is not realistice to expect CGC to catch everything. Even they admit this as their label cearly states they will make a good faith effort, but do not actually warranty their restoration check.

I am actually impressed with CGC and Brulato for making the reimbursement on books that were subsequently found to be trimmed as this is certainly over and above what they were legally required to do. Of course, the entire communications things left a lot to be desired as communications has never been one of CGC's strong points. The relationship with Brulato is a little worrisome too, especially if he knew what was going on. Not as worrisome, but still of some concern if he didn't know what was going on, as this basically means the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing, considering that VIA had been in operations for quite awhile.

What I found really surprising is that none of the collectors or victims went after Ewert himself as the lawyers involved couldn't find anybody that was willing to participate in the case. This is what I meant when I used the term "cry babies"......ignore the risks or warning signs, complain when they lose, expect somebody else to reimburse or bail them out, and doesn't bother to pursue the real perpetrators of the crime when presented with the opportunity. If it was me, I would be chasing after Jason like there was no tomorrow. Ask me about Danny boy someday! ;\)

As for your last point, nobody deserves a strike here and I am not sure about your comment on Greggy haunting my dreams. I've never had any personal dealings with Greggy and I have only talked to him very briefly at a couple of cons. Not exactly sure what his problem with me is and I really should ask him the next time I see him since he seems to be a pretty nice guy otherwise. I don't have anything personal against him and all I really know is that he likes to collect CD 100 pagers and he also likes to wear short shorts (at least according to you guys). lol


Dean,
I misunderstood your original message, and Tim actually clarified things with his post. In my defense, your diatribes tend to be long and when a certain phrase commands my attention, I tend to take it out of context of what is trying to be conveyed. I ignore the surrounding content and focus on the (perceived) offending phrase itself...
I agree that people paying insane amounts of money for "rare" 9.6 SA book is a bit eccentric to say the least. They even may be "HG chasers", so to speak, but regardless what amount of money they spend on a book, whether it's $100 or $10K. Getting cheated is getting cheated. Point blank. I would never call anyone a cry baby or the fact they got ripped off a sob story...If they have the $$ to get the highest graded copy then more power to them. Their collecting habits don't affect mine. Would I try to get a 9.6 copy rather than 9.4 copy of a book? Of course, if it's within my means, that being the deciding factor of course. I am more than happy with a nicely presenting 9.2 or 9.4 book as well
My main point is this: Regardless if they are taking a risk or not, wrong is wrong. I fully agree with arming your self with knowledge and research before you make a big purchase, but on the other hand, some people who HAVE knowledge and DID research, STILL got swindled. And THAT is my point. I would NEVER imply anyone is a crybaby when it comes to being burned on a purchase. Whether your statement was in jest, or targeted at a specific group of collectors, it could still be interpreted as inflammatory in nature, hence not just my response, but other people's as well.
BTW the greggy statement was supposed to be followed with a
as it was a joke...
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