Originally Posted By: kc120us
 Originally Posted By: The Resurrection
 Originally Posted By: kc120us
 Originally Posted By: Zipper68
 Originally Posted By: kc120us
 Originally Posted By: Zipper68
 Originally Posted By: buttock
I don't think that anyone can reliably claim to detect or rule out trimming when done well. I think in some cases, there are probably tell-tale signs, but I'm sure there are probably just as many cases with no signs. Therefore a CGC "OK" doesn't mean it's not trimmed. Nor would an OK from anyone else.


I agree with this. Just like a "not guilty" verdict doesn't mean someone is innocent, a CGC OK means they can't tell with certainty it is trimmed.

This is not a knock on CGC... when done on the cover only and a very small amount is taken off, it may very well be impossible to know with certainty in some cases. Especially if the paper is fresh and well preserved... it may not exhibit some of the same "cracking" or snags that can happen when typically aged paper is cut.


Does that invalidate the certification in your opinion?


In this case, I think "certification" means that you've exercised due diligence in pursuing the truth.

Could I sell the book to another owner knowing I did my best to determine I wasn't passing off tainted goods? Yes.

Would I bet my life the book isn't trimmed? No.

Exactly, Steve and that is all you could do. Just as if you sent the book to Susan or Matt, you would have done your best to have the book examined for resto. Might they miss something, sure. Does it invalidate their examination? No.


Casey,

In response to this. CGC has how many submissions per day, and how many people who are "restoration experts". The volume of which books are submitted is what they are going to see the biggest problems with. I would imagine that when you send them a book they will give it the once over, but if nothing throws up a flag I doubt HIGHLY that they put much effort into this.

In susan or matts case, they see a considerably smaller amount of books, therefore allowing more time for a more thorough check. So if I REALLY wanted to be sure about my books condition it would go to them.

If I want a sweet holder, grade, and maximum cash potential on the market. I go with CGC. Or if I really was that concerned it would go to Matt or Susan before CGC. Costing a little more cash, but I know the book will have been thoroughly examined prior to slabbing.

And your proof that they don't thorughly check books for resto is? That is a pretty flimsy statement, Pat. Especially when part of CGC's rep is built on their resto check.


Not really Casey. If you have to go through 150 books in a day, how much time can be spent in 8 hours, 10 hours, 12 hours? It all comes down to time, they run a business. Im not saying they are sloppy, I am saying they can not AFFORD to spend more then say 10 minutes on a book. The math just cant work.

And as far as the Rep. goes, what is this conversation about ?

Edited by The Resurrection (01/16/09 04:12 PM)
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