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#9560900 - 09/15/16 06:57 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: NP_Gresham]
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 Originally Posted By: NP_Gresham
 Originally Posted By: Kevlar
Hey guys, have a question about a possible probation issue.

I'm running a cast signed Force Awakens opp. We were looking to have Ford, Hamill, Driver, Fisher, Mayhew, Daniels, and Baker plus we are looking at adding about 5-6 others. Baker passed away...but 1) he actually is NOT in the cast of Force Awakens. Jimmy Vee played R2 in this movie and 2) when dealing in the cast book, it's still a cast book,

We already have money into the books and someone ordered one and since Baker can't sign they asked about backing out. I told them that the books have been started and it was a non-refundable deposit and the above issue with Baker vs Vee and he said ok.

Then out of nowhere over a week later he opens a case with Paypal that the item isn't as described. Paypal sided with me. Then he open a non-received case and because I can't provide tracking since the book won't be done until Jan and Paypal sided with him.

As I've already gotten money into this, he didn't have a problem when he first contacted me, is this something that should go on the probation list?

Was there a description you can provide?
Did you have a written return policy?
How long did this take?
You must have a return policy to sell here and the general rule is transactions must be completed within 30 days.



That has never been the case for SS opportunities (and blue label pre-sales for that matter).

There are plenty of times where you're waiting months for the signing to take place and then months for CGC to grade the book - heck, even with fast track, I'm not even sure you can get a modern book back from CGC in less than 30 days right now.
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#9560911 - 09/15/16 07:05 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: mschmidt]
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 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: NP_Gresham
 Originally Posted By: Kevlar
Hey guys, have a question about a possible probation issue.

I'm running a cast signed Force Awakens opp. We were looking to have Ford, Hamill, Driver, Fisher, Mayhew, Daniels, and Baker plus we are looking at adding about 5-6 others. Baker passed away...but 1) he actually is NOT in the cast of Force Awakens. Jimmy Vee played R2 in this movie and 2) when dealing in the cast book, it's still a cast book,

We already have money into the books and someone ordered one and since Baker can't sign they asked about backing out. I told them that the books have been started and it was a non-refundable deposit and the above issue with Baker vs Vee and he said ok.

Then out of nowhere over a week later he opens a case with Paypal that the item isn't as described. Paypal sided with me. Then he open a non-received case and because I can't provide tracking since the book won't be done until Jan and Paypal sided with him.

As I've already gotten money into this, he didn't have a problem when he first contacted me, is this something that should go on the probation list?

Was there a description you can provide?
Did you have a written return policy?
How long did this take?
You must have a return policy to sell here and the general rule is transactions must be completed within 30 days.



That has never been the case for SS opportunities (and blue label pre-sales for that matter).

There are plenty of times where you're waiting months for the signing to take place and then months for CGC to grade the book - heck, even with fast track, I'm not even sure you can get a modern book back from CGC in less than 30 days right now.


I think he is citing the 30 day rule as meaning (and the purpose of the rule is) that one must allow 30 days in which to attempt to complete a transaction before it is actionable in the PL forum.

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#9560916 - 09/15/16 07:07 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: crassus]
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I should add that given the narrative, the 30 day rule would not apply here in any case as the buyer appears determined to void the transaction.

Whether this is PL worthy is still an open question, I am assuming the seller is determined that the buyer should complete the transaction? Or surrender the deposit?

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#9561027 - 09/15/16 08:17 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: crassus]
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Not sure what the original thread looked like, but going forward some disclaimer about artists backing out (or not available for whatever reason) might be a good idea.
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#9561058 - 09/15/16 08:34 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: wombat]
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 Originally Posted By: wombat
Not sure what the original thread looked like, but going forward some disclaimer about artists backing out (or not available for whatever reason) might be a good idea.


I am not sure if there was a thread, I cannot find it, if someone can please post the link. Perhaps this was done via PM or email? For me I would need more details of the original terms and the timeline of the action.

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#9561064 - 09/15/16 08:40 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: mschmidt]
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 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: NP_Gresham
 Originally Posted By: Kevlar
Hey guys, have a question about a possible probation issue.

I'm running a cast signed Force Awakens opp. We were looking to have Ford, Hamill, Driver, Fisher, Mayhew, Daniels, and Baker plus we are looking at adding about 5-6 others. Baker passed away...but 1) he actually is NOT in the cast of Force Awakens. Jimmy Vee played R2 in this movie and 2) when dealing in the cast book, it's still a cast book,

We already have money into the books and someone ordered one and since Baker can't sign they asked about backing out. I told them that the books have been started and it was a non-refundable deposit and the above issue with Baker vs Vee and he said ok.

Then out of nowhere over a week later he opens a case with Paypal that the item isn't as described. Paypal sided with me. Then he open a non-received case and because I can't provide tracking since the book won't be done until Jan and Paypal sided with him.

As I've already gotten money into this, he didn't have a problem when he first contacted me, is this something that should go on the probation list?

Was there a description you can provide?
Did you have a written return policy?
How long did this take?
You must have a return policy to sell here and the general rule is transactions must be completed within 30 days.



That has never been the case for SS opportunities (and blue label pre-sales for that matter).

There are plenty of times where you're waiting months for the signing to take place and then months for CGC to grade the book - heck, even with fast track, I'm not even sure you can get a modern book back from CGC in less than 30 days right now.

Then maybe like the junk donkeys they should take their problems elsewhere

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#9561072 - 09/15/16 08:45 PM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: NP_Gresham]
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In the absence of any agreement then returns would be determined by the terms of the payer agent.
PayPal says 6 months or something like that
If a seller uses PayPal and does not offer any other terms then that seems like agreement with the terms of service from PP

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#9562665 - 09/17/16 12:15 AM Re: PROBATION DISCUSSIONS [Re: NP_Gresham]
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I think the buyer is being foolish.

Ford is the toughest signature out of all of them. If you can get Ford on the book with Hamill and Fisher and THEN throw on the rest... I think you are already set.
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