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The point is that RMA dismisses a book like Gwenpool's first appearance because it doesn't suit his argument and then claims ignorance because he doesn't deal in new comics.

 

Hey Ween: if you're going to have a debate, keep it above the line, and don't make things up because you're annoyed/angry/frustrated/ticked off/(insert whatever word best describes your emotional state here.)

 

I didn't "dismiss" anything, and it is quite dishonest of you to make that up out of thin air.

 

What I said was I DON'T KNOW about Gwenpool, and therefore, instead of simply making something up to suit me, I told you I didn't have enough information with which to draw a conclusion.

 

So why don't you provide some more information so I can make an INFORMED decision...?

 

Shame on you. Making things up, and then attributing them to others, is the cause of 99.9946% of the arguments around here. I'm sure I don't need to name names about who is the master at such underhanded tactics.

 

meh

 

I realize this is a copper thread but damn, some of you guys can't actually admit that even Overstreet describes a first appearance as one that occurs anywhere. ANYWHERE.

 

Right. Then Batman Adventures #12 isn't the first appearance of Harley Quinn, and Super Friends #1 isn't the first appearance of the Super Friends, and Super Friends #7 isn't the first appearance of the Wonder Twins, and Iron Fist #14 isn't the first appearance of Sabretooth, etc etc etc, despite the fact that Overstreet lists all those, and more, as first appearances, even though they ALL appeared SOMEWHERE else first.

 

You cannot run to Overstreet to support your decision, then ignore Overstreet when it doesn't suit you.

 

RMA asked for an example, I gave him a clear one.

 

You gave me a single sentence, then ignored the context of that sentence.

 

Clear?

 

As the fog on the Scottish moors on a cold October morning.

 

I'm not sure what more some of you Copperheads need to see. By the way, John Donne is dated too. How do I know this? Because when I'm banging the GF and the throes of passion inspire me to spout the erotic verse of Donne she tells me to shut the fk up and c*m on her face, something infinity sexier and absolutely more modern.

 

SUPER classy.

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How you see it is irrelevant.

That's become clear.

 

John Donne said 'no man is an island'. Clearly, he was wrong.

He was replying to Mr. Ween. But I could say that in this case the "islands" are those who insist on this concept of "first apperance", and who wants to use words arbitrarily and out of context. Roy (Beastfeast) was just giving an uncalled for harsh reply, but what he means is clear.

 

Why was it harsh?

 

Was it true? Yes, Ween's attempt to make ads become actual appearances, contrary to long established comic collecting history and tradition, while certainly an interesting opinion, isn't going to gain traction (unless we lose all reason, which is certainly possible.) So, how he "sees" ads isn't relevant.

 

Are we that wussified that plain spoken, unadorned truth is "uncalled for" and "harsh"...?

 

Yes.

I like how you only mention ads here and not previews.

 

You know previews are just a specific type of ad, right?

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How you see it is irrelevant.

That's become clear.

 

John Donne said 'no man is an island'. Clearly, he was wrong.

He was replying to Mr. Ween. But I could say that in this case the "islands" are those who insist on this concept of "first apperance", and who wants to use words arbitrarily and out of context. Roy (Beastfeast) was just giving an uncalled for harsh reply, but what he means is clear.

 

Why was it harsh?

 

Was it true? Yes, Ween's attempt to make ads become actual appearances, contrary to long established comic collecting history and tradition, while certainly an interesting opinion, isn't going to gain traction (unless we lose all reason, which is certainly possible.) So, how he "sees" ads isn't relevant.

 

Are we that wussified that plain spoken, unadorned truth is "uncalled for" and "harsh"...?

 

Yes.

I like how you only mention ads here and not previews.

 

Previews ARE ads, as was already mentioned.

 

 

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How you see it is irrelevant.

That's become clear.

 

John Donne said 'no man is an island'. Clearly, he was wrong.

He was replying to Mr. Ween. But I could say that in this case the "islands" are those who insist on this concept of "first apperance", and who wants to use words arbitrarily and out of context. Roy (Beastfeast) was just giving an uncalled for harsh reply, but what he means is clear.

 

Why was it harsh?

 

Was it true? Yes, Ween's attempt to make ads become actual appearances, contrary to long established comic collecting history and tradition, while certainly an interesting opinion, isn't going to gain traction (unless we lose all reason, which is certainly possible.) So, how he "sees" ads isn't relevant.

 

Are we that wussified that plain spoken, unadorned truth is "uncalled for" and "harsh"...?

 

Yes.

I like how you only mention ads here and not previews.

 

You know previews are just a specific type of ad, right?

 

yes but there is a distinct difference between a sequential art preview of a book like say the Preacher preview and a pin up like the Gobbledygook book no?

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How you see it is irrelevant.

That's become clear.

 

John Donne said 'no man is an island'. Clearly, he was wrong.

He was replying to Mr. Ween. But I could say that in this case the "islands" are those who insist on this concept of "first apperance", and who wants to use words arbitrarily and out of context. Roy (Beastfeast) was just giving an uncalled for harsh reply, but what he means is clear.

 

Why was it harsh?

 

Was it true? Yes, Ween's attempt to make ads become actual appearances, contrary to long established comic collecting history and tradition, while certainly an interesting opinion, isn't going to gain traction (unless we lose all reason, which is certainly possible.) So, how he "sees" ads isn't relevant.

 

Are we that wussified that plain spoken, unadorned truth is "uncalled for" and "harsh"...?

 

Yes.

I like how you only mention ads here and not previews.

 

You know previews are just a specific type of ad, right?

 

yes but there is a difference between a sequential art preview of a book coming out and a pin up no?

 

Not if you're calling them first appearances.

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So...is Megaton Explosion _not_ the first appearance of Youngblood then?

 

It's been about 20 years, but my memory of the book is their appearance is just the centerfold, and at best it's only a few members of the "away" team who later reappeared in the b-story of Youngblood 1.

 

Static centerfold image = not necessarily first "sequential" appearance.

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I just read the story in Marvel Age Annual #4. It's a 4 page, original story that predates Damage Control's other appearances. Even at only 4 pages, it's actually a frame story - the first page has a guy from Damage Control approaching the Joe Fixit version of Hulk and handing him a brochure about Damage Control. Pages 2-3 are basically an ad for Damage Control (which Hulk is reading) explaining what the series is. And page 4 is Hulk kicking the guy's butt and tossing him out of the casino.

 

So it is an original story, not an excerpt of a later published issue. It's not much of a first appearance - in terms of these sorts of things, it's not as strong as something like Rat Queens in Image What's Next - but I think it is their first appearance.

 

It's actually a 5 page story.

And Hulk looks like a cartoonish ape in a couple panels.

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This banter sucks in a copper heating up thread. Just Sayin :sumo:

:sumo:

 

Less than a day away, and I come back to 4-5 pages of pure drivel . . . :sick: Anything heating up? hm

 

No kidding, complete nerdy sunken chest thumpin' battle.

Why do internet people feel the need to do this publicly.

What a silly waste of time.

 

Did sell a DC Comics Presents #41 in 9.8 for $133 USD a while ago.

1st new look Wonder Woman.

There, I've contributed to this thread in it's true context.

Not sure it's heating up, but it's a sleeper book.

 

Bravo! I'll take a look at my copy tonight. (thumbs u

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This banter sucks in a copper heating up thread. Just Sayin :sumo:

:sumo:

 

Less than a day away, and I come back to 4-5 pages of pure drivel . . . :sick: Anything heating up? hm

 

well with the newer JL Dark announcement, one might expect Swamp Thing 49 and 50 to heat a bit more

 

et tu, Brute! (thumbs u

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Deadworld #10 is a good example where the back cover ad created demand and value for the book

 

No one is arguing that an ad cannot create demand and value.

 

But it's NOT the Crow's first appearance. That is Caliber Presents #1.

So, Hulk 180 ISN'T the first appearance of Wolverine? Is that last panel an advertisement of sorts for the next issue? I will always believe 180 is his first appearance, and that will never change, but I'm with you on the gobbledygook's of the world. Not 1st appearances, but ads.

 

I don't know how to respond to this. :D

 

 

Here I'll help:

 

So, Hulk 180 ISN'T the first appearance of Wolverine?

 

Yes, it is.

 

Is that last panel an advertisement of sorts for the next issue?

 

No.

 

I will always believe 180 is his first appearance, and that will never change, but I'm with you on the gobbledygook's of the world. Not 1st appearances, but ads.

 

Yes 180 is his first but because Wolverine wasn't on the cover until 181 the majority of dealers and collectors erroneously gave the distinction of first appearance to the wrong comic. There are more than one example of this from this era and I suspect it would not have happened if there were forums and other internet resources available back then.

 

Here's how I see it:

 

Foom 2 - First appearance of Wolverine prototype where elements and design were basically stolen by Marvel and used to create one of the most iconic comic characters ever.

 

Hulk 180 - First appearance/full appearance of Wolverine.

 

Daredevil 115, Marvel Premiere 119, Thor 229 - First appearance of Wolverine on the cover for Hulk 181 in an advertisement

 

Hulk 181 - Third appearance of Wolverine, first appearance on a cover

 

 

 

You had me up until ... well Foom 2. Which I guess is the beginning.

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How you see it is irrelevant.

That's become clear.

 

John Donne said 'no man is an island'. Clearly, he was wrong.

He was replying to Mr. Ween.

Yes, and I was essentially agreeing with him (Beastfeast). Ween sparks one of these debates every six months or so.

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Somebody please tell me when J2 #5 gets hot as the 1st true(?) 1999 :wishluck: appearance of Wolverine's daughter complete with 3 pronged claws, yellow costume, Logan, Mrs. Logan, cover appearance and from Hudson's Bay, Canada. Reminds me of the first she-Thor What If #10 volume 1 that fandom is pumping up. (thumbs u

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Somebody please tell me when J2 #5 gets hot as the 1st true(?) 1999 :wishluck: appearance of Wolverine's daughter complete with 3 pronged claws, yellow costume, Logan, Mrs. Logan, cover appearance and from Hudson's Bay, Canada. Reminds me of the first she-Thor What If #10 volume 1 that fandom is pumping up. (thumbs u

 

Don't forget about Wolverina!

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i picked up some nice Groos from the pacific coast comics run..3 for $10, not a big investment, would have thought they were selling for more, but not a lot of interest on ebay. did pacific have huge print-runs that didn't get sold and these are sitting in warehouses?

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i picked up some nice Groos from the pacific coast comics run..3 for $10, not a big investment, would have thought they were selling for more, but not a lot of interest on ebay. did pacific have huge print-runs that didn't get sold and these are sitting in warehouses?

 

Joe Koch has a few of those last I recall, is that where you got them from?

Hold on to these, Im pretty sure Groo will appreciate in value sooner or later.. Im pretty sure print run was large (just look at Starslayer #2 thats a major key book but I suspect because of a huge print run the price is not all quite there), but those are early appearances so all good.

I just scored a sick deal on 40+ copies of Destroyer duck #1 the other day and theyre all VFNM

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Groo enjoyed a surge of popularity around 1990. Groo #1 (Pacific) was a $25 book in the OPG, and the Eclipse Special was even more.

 

I traded a Groo #1 Pacific for a Batman #251 in VF/NM that I have to this day.

 

Since then, however, he's been out of favor. A lot of that has to do with the erratic publishing schedule. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

Maybe someday there will be a Groo cartoon.

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