PROBATION DISCUSSIONS

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Great response chisoxfan

 

Pretty much perfect.

Great response chisoxfan

 

 

I agree. Very well thought out. Very good points, hence I'm willing to make amends in buying the book.

That is the way to go. We all make mistakes, what comes after that matters as well though.

Great response chisoxfan

 

 

I agree. Very well thought out. Very good points, hence I'm willing to make amends in buying the book.

 

Contact the seller and work something out to get removed from the Probation List. Focus on that and nothing else.

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I bolded a key point.

Great response chisoxfan

 

 

I agree. Very well thought out. Very good points, hence I'm willing to make amends in buying the book.

 

 

That is the way to go. We all make mistakes, what comes after that matters as well though.

Speak for yourself

Heating up:

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Heating up:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8833404#Post8833404

Not at all. :shrug:

I'm calling "The Cobra"

Heating up:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=88334

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Not at all. :shrug:

I'm heating up the other direction

I'm weary of new buyers full of spit and vinegar who want a pound of flesh without even bothering to wait for a response from a seller who may or may not have made a mistake, and can't be bothered on their to even do the barest of research to understand the rules or even post questions in the right forum.

Its not like someone left a dead rat in your daughter's salad at Applebee's, no one is going to die because you were missing 7 out of 20 comics and 5 of the ones you got had bent corners. People who select 'drama' as a first reaction to these kind of things....well they're more likely to go on 'lists' here than sellers who occasionally make mistakes then rectify them.

Heating up:

 

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Not at all. :shrug:

I'm heating up the other direction

 

I'm weary of new buyers full of spit and vinegar who want a pound of flesh without even bothering to wait for a response from a seller who may or may not have made a mistake, and can't be bothered on their to even do the barest of research to understand the rules or even post questions in the right forum.

 

Its not like someone left a dead rat in your daughter's salad at Applebee's, no one is going to die because you were missing 7 out of 20 comics and 5 of the ones you got had bent corners. People who select 'drama' as a first reaction to these kind of things....well they're more likely to go on 'lists' here than sellers who occasionally make mistakes then rectify them.

Since I do not know the details I did not want to comment, but I surely agree with you.

Heating up:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=88334

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Not at all. :shrug:

I'm heating up the other direction

 

I'm weary of new buyers full of spit and vinegar who want a pound of flesh without even bothering to wait for a response from a seller who may or may not have made a mistake, and can't be bothered on their to even do the barest of research to understand the rules or even post questions in the right forum.

 

Its not like someone left a dead rat in your daughter's salad at Applebee's, no one is going to die because you were missing 7 out of 20 comics and 5 of the ones you got had bent corners. People who select 'drama' as a first reaction to these kind of things....well they're more likely to go on 'lists' here than sellers who occasionally make mistakes then rectify them.

Since I do not know the details I did not want to comment, but I surely agree with you.

That must be how they roll on Facebook and Twitter.

edit: millenials.

Well, often it’s just a lack of proper education. If no one educates you, hard to learn how to navigate properly…

 

I'm weary of new buyers full of spit and vinegar who want a pound of flesh without even bothering to wait for a response from a seller who may or may not have made a mistake, and can't be bothered on their to even do the barest of research to understand the rules or even post questions in the right forum.

This scares me to death when selling.

 

I'm weary of new buyers full of spit and vinegar who want a pound of flesh without even bothering to wait for a response from a seller who may or may not have made a mistake, and can't be bothered on their to even do the barest of research to understand the rules or even post questions in the right forum.

This scares me to death when selling.

Just declare your own sales thread rules that will make you comfortable. Something to the effect of "I'll not sell to anyone I'm not comfortable selling to." Then, when the spit & vinegar types come along, just say "no, thank you."

I got a PM from rip67vdub wanting to finish the transaction that wasn't honored initially.

I already ended up selling the book to the other buyer in my sales thread who was hoping to get it. He paid immediately and the transaction went smoothly so I'm not sure there's much else to deal with in this case.

I appreciate rip67vdub coming to me about finishing the initial deal for the Squirrel Girl book.

I remember when this probation was in the works and being made, I thought it was stupid and 15 years later I still think it is, The buyer has a right to change his/her own mind. Ever walk into your local grocery store, drop something in your cart then when you get to the check out you put it back instead of buying? Same thing. The store doesn't "black list" you. If the buyer doesn't want to buy it and gets cold feet, or if the seller gets cold feet at the last second, neither should be put on a list for it to "warn other members" The whole system set up here is absurd. CGC forum states that they aren't responsible in any transactions that take place, but they'll put you on a list? Give me a break.

I remember when this probation was in the works and being made, I thought it was stupid and 15 years later I still think it is, The buyer has a right to change his/her own mind. Ever walk into your local grocery store, drop something in your cart then when you get to the check out you put it back instead of buying? Same thing. The store doesn't "black list" you. If the buyer doesn't want to buy it and gets cold feet, or if the seller gets cold feet at the last second, neither should be put on a list for it to "warn other members" The whole system set up here is absurd. CGC forum states that they aren't responsible in any transactions that take place, but they'll put you on a list? Give me a break.

The huge majority of the people on the probation list aren't on there because they "changed their mind". I managed a retail store for a number of years, and your comparison is completely off-base. The majority -- again, not EVERY single case, because no one situation is necessarily 100% similar -- are more akin to the people who tried to switch price tags on a item to get it for a lower price, or people who tried to return merchandise they stole to get store credit, or people who flat out tried to shoplift, or people whose behavior in dealing with a transaction was so out of line, that they caused a major disruption to the running of the store. THOSE people were essentially blacklisted, at least from the stores I managed.

Using a rare example as a means to ridicule a means to protect buyers and sellers from potentially dealing with persons who are going to end up being nothing but trouble is what's absurd. And "CGC" isn't putting you on a list, and if in 15 years you haven't figured out that, well no offense, that's kind of absurd as well.

If you want to deal with any number of the scammers, flakes, or bad seeds that have found their way onto both of those lists over the years, no one is stopping you. However, thank you for alerting me that, if I list a $400 book at some point down the road in a sales thread, you claim it, and then two weeks later after ignoring PM's finally come back with, "Nah, bro -- don't want it no more" and cost me a sale to someone else, that you'll see nothing at all wrong with what you did, then for one, I won't need "CGC" to put you on a list -- you'll be on my own personal "do not deal with" list.

The lists aren't perfect -- NOTHING in this world is perfect, for pete's sake -- but I'm continuously shaking my head at the people who ridicule what's largely been a deterrent to people pulling shady behavior, and a warning to members about people who may be problem customers. You don't like it -- fine, don't reference it and take your chances. But ridiculing it isn't productive -- you don't like it, come up with something better to help self-police the sales forums. If you can't, then all you're saying is nothing but noise.

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I remember when this probation was in the works and being made, I thought it was stupid and 15 years later I still think it is, The buyer has a right to change his/her own mind. Ever walk into your local grocery store, drop something in your cart then when you get to the check out you put it back instead of buying? Same thing. The store doesn't "black list" you. If the buyer doesn't want to buy it and gets cold feet, or if the seller gets cold feet at the last second, neither should be put on a list for it to "warn other members" The whole system set up here is absurd. CGC forum states that they aren't responsible in any transactions that take place, but they'll put you on a list? Give me a break.

If you decide not to buy it in the grocery store that decision is typically made within the hour and someone else if free to buy it. If someone does that here, they could hold up the transaction for a very long time by ignoring pms and refusing to pay causing the seller to lose the sell altogether. With the way the market fluctuates that could be a significant hit. I don't see how that relates to a grocery store purchase at all.

If you decide not to buy it in the grocery store that decision is typically made within the hour and someone else if free to buy it. If someone does that here, they could hold up the transaction for a very long time by ignoring pms and refusing to pay causing the seller to lose the sell altogether. With the way the market fluctuates that could be a significant hit. I don't see how that relates to a grocery store purchase at all.

Good point. A couple of days before they had announced that the 2nd Avengers movie was going to be Age of Ultron (remember how people thought at first that it was going ti be Thanos as the bad guy in the immediate sequel?), I picked up a high grade Avengers 55 from a major dealer online for pre-hype prices, but the book hadn't shipped yet. Under his example, I guess, they could have had "cold feet", refused to complete the transaction, then relisted the book for the new insane prices a week later, and there would have been nothing wrong with that.

BTW, this didn't happen -- the dealer shipped the book, like I would have expected someone reputable to do.

I remember when this probation was in the works and being made, I thought it was stupid and 15 years later I still think it is, The buyer has a right to change his/her own mind. Ever walk into your local grocery store, drop something in your cart then when you get to the check out you put it back instead of buying? Same thing. The store doesn't "black list" you. If the buyer doesn't want to buy it and gets cold feet, or if the seller gets cold feet at the last second, neither should be put on a list for it to "warn other members" The whole system set up here is absurd. CGC forum states that they aren't responsible in any transactions that take place, but they'll put you on a list? Give me a break.

 

If you decide not to buy it in the grocery store that decision is typically made within the hour and someone else if free to buy it. If someone does that here, they could hold up the transaction for a very long time by ignoring pms and refusing to pay causing the seller to lose the sell altogether. With the way the market fluctuates that could be a significant hit. I don't see how that relates to a grocery store purchase at all.

+1 also

I think MOST people view transactions here at minimum as more of a 'handshake' basis. Agreeing to buy or sell is equivalent to a 'handshake'. I think we've chosen generally to not allow people to reneg on 'handshake' deals, barring extenuating circumstances. I think its less about the legality of the list, but more about letting people know 'for proper reason' how a given member acts.

Barring what we prefer, in many cases there are legally enforceable and binding contracts IN writing which are created.

The uniqueness of the the item and price make the grocery store analogy not applicable, in my view. When the item is posted and the take it is thrown up, or whatever acceptance is required, its a contract. Sure, by all means contracts are made to be breached but there are remedies and consequences.