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#5713770 - 05/25/12 09:36 AM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: jjonahjameson1]
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 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: Sharkey
The ASM #6 page is already at $34K. Any prognostications on how high it'll go? Solid Spidey images, Lizard appearance (to tie in with the upcoming movie), earliest Spidey art on the market - lots of things that would push this one way up there.



$64,000!!!!! WTF!?!?!?


Question to the folks that were astonished at the $64K closing price - what do you think it should have closed at?

I was surprised by a few other results:

-Kirby JIM 106p17 = $15K
-Colan TOS 94p8 = $5.7K
-Sekowsky WW 179 page for $2.7K (yeah, change in direction, but still, no costume)
-Land Wolverine 55 page = 4.5K



The $64k blows away the public sale price of any Ditko panel page I have seen.

Even on the private sales I have been privy too that's beyond anything short of a half splash or top 5 key page or 1st appearance pages.
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#5713805 - 05/25/12 09:47 AM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: comix4fun]
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 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: Sharkey
The ASM #6 page is already at $34K. Any prognostications on how high it'll go? Solid Spidey images, Lizard appearance (to tie in with the upcoming movie), earliest Spidey art on the market - lots of things that would push this one way up there.



$64,000!!!!! WTF!?!?!?


Question to the folks that were astonished at the $64K closing price - what do you think it should have closed at?

I was surprised by a few other results:

-Kirby JIM 106p17 = $15K
-Colan TOS 94p8 = $5.7K
-Sekowsky WW 179 page for $2.7K (yeah, change in direction, but still, no costume)
-Land Wolverine 55 page = 4.5K



The $64k blows away the public sale price of any Ditko panel page I have seen.

Even on the private sales I have been privy too that's beyond anything short of a half splash or top 5 key page or 1st appearance pages.


I can understand that, however the Ditko ASM 30 page, a less desirable page, sold for $36K in the same auction.
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#5713818 - 05/25/12 09:51 AM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: comix4fun]
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The Doug Mahnke Man Who Laughs cover was at one time sold on CLINK for over $6000 and now $4211. Quite a hit .

Could modern artists be and the down while order more established artist are on they way up?
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#5713844 - 05/25/12 09:58 AM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: Ares]
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 Originally Posted By: Ares
The Doug Mahnke Man Who Laughs cover was at one time sold on CLINK for over $6000 and now $4211. Quite a hit .

Could modern artists be and the down while order more established artist are on they way up?


I wouldn't buy a modern artist for investment value, after all I won this as I had to justify staying uptil 4am for the OA part of the auction what with work the next day.
It's certainly not an investment piece, however a bargain to me.

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#5714588 - 05/25/12 01:56 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: Mephisto]
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 Originally Posted By: Mephisto
 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: Sharkey
The ASM #6 page is already at $34K. Any prognostications on how high it'll go? Solid Spidey images, Lizard appearance (to tie in with the upcoming movie), earliest Spidey art on the market - lots of things that would push this one way up there.



$64,000!!!!! WTF!?!?!?


Question to the folks that were astonished at the $64K closing price - what do you think it should have closed at?

I was surprised by a few other results:

-Kirby JIM 106p17 = $15K
-Colan TOS 94p8 = $5.7K
-Sekowsky WW 179 page for $2.7K (yeah, change in direction, but still, no costume)
-Land Wolverine 55 page = 4.5K


Congrats on the nice sale \:\)


I was surprised by the Land. I had offered it on the site for 3K before. I even bought it from the Donnellys and did not take a loss on it but a slight gain. A large reason why I went a head and put it in the auction was I noticed the Yu Wolverine cover in the last big Clink auction sold for 4K which I thought it was pretty strong.

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#5714702 - 05/25/12 02:36 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: Ares]
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 Originally Posted By: Ares
The Doug Mahnke Man Who Laughs cover was at one time sold on CLINK for over $6000 and now $4211. Quite a hit .

Could modern artists be and the down while order more established artist are on they way up?


6K was what it took for Doug to part with it. I never really thought if I resold it I would see that amount. I honestly didn't even think it would fetch what it did. I had offered it on the site for 3K. The highest offer I had was less than half the auction price. Between that and the Wolverine cover I just don't think that people check the OA listings on Clink the way they do the auctions.
I personally think a lot of Modern OA is grossly overpriced especially when coming direct from an artist or their rep. of course if you ever really want a piece then you are often stuck paying to get an artist to part with it. Even modern artist I think are great like Finch I just have trouble seeing being a great investment with initial prices being so high. I don't know that much DC an marvel stuff the past 10-15 year is going to pull at nostalgic heart strings the way Lee and Todd M are doing.
It is always difficult when forecasting anything like this. I have an Indiana Jones piece I bought from a gallery. I really love the piece but had thought myself there is no way I will ever get close to what I paid should I ever sell. I've had the piece 3 or 4 years and was talking to the artist on Facebook a few months ago and he mentions. By the way if you need to let that painting go I have someone who has been hounding me about it since it was sold. So you never know what anyone person will be willing to pay.

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#5714856 - 05/25/12 03:23 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: jjonahjameson1]
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 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: Sharkey
The ASM #6 page is already at $34K. Any prognostications on how high it'll go? Solid Spidey images, Lizard appearance (to tie in with the upcoming movie), earliest Spidey art on the market - lots of things that would push this one way up there.



$64,000!!!!! WTF!?!?!?


Question to the folks that were astonished at the $64K closing price - what do you think it should have closed at?

I was surprised by a few other results:

-Kirby JIM 106p17 = $15K
-Colan TOS 94p8 = $5.7K
-Sekowsky WW 179 page for $2.7K (yeah, change in direction, but still, no costume)
-Land Wolverine 55 page = 4.5K



The $64k blows away the public sale price of any Ditko panel page I have seen.

Even on the private sales I have been privy too that's beyond anything short of a half splash or top 5 key page or 1st appearance pages.


I can understand that, however the Ditko ASM 30 page, a less desirable page, sold for $36K in the same auction.



But the $36k page had spidey in costume on 6 of the seven panels. It went within the range of several recent sales...maybe 10% above. Not a sale that moves the data trend to any material amount by any means.
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#5714906 - 05/25/12 03:40 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: Mephisto]
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 Originally Posted By: Mephisto

I personally think a lot of Modern OA is grossly overpriced especially when coming direct from an artist or their rep. of course if you ever really want a piece then you are often stuck paying to get an artist to part with it. Even modern artist I think are great like Finch I just have trouble seeing being a great investment with initial prices being so high. I don't know that much DC an marvel stuff the past 10-15 year is going to pull at nostalgic heart strings the way Lee and Todd M are doing.
It is always difficult when forecasting anything like this. I have an Indiana Jones piece I bought from a gallery. I really love the piece but had thought myself there is no way I will ever get close to what I paid should I ever sell. I've had the piece 3 or 4 years and was talking to the artist on Facebook a few months ago and he mentions. By the way if you need to let that painting go I have someone who has been hounding me about it since it was sold. So you never know what anyone person will be willing to pay.


I personally believe that the "overpricing" of modern OA is also related to how much they have appreciated in the last few years. Artists and their reps have seen prices go up to double or triple what they sold it a few years ago, so I can't blame them for pricing it high to make sure they don't leave money on the table again.

In the grand scheme of things, this should all balance. I've been personally believing it for the past few years, things can't keep on going up and up forever (and I've been wrong the past few years)

Finally, its a cliche, but when you are buying OA, while it's always good to get a good deal, you shouldn't buy it only because it will appreciate in the future.

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#5714930 - 05/25/12 03:51 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: comix4fun]
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 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: jjonahjameson1
 Originally Posted By: comix4fun
 Originally Posted By: Sharkey
The ASM #6 page is already at $34K. Any prognostications on how high it'll go? Solid Spidey images, Lizard appearance (to tie in with the upcoming movie), earliest Spidey art on the market - lots of things that would push this one way up there.



$64,000!!!!! WTF!?!?!?


Question to the folks that were astonished at the $64K closing price - what do you think it should have closed at?

I was surprised by a few other results:

-Kirby JIM 106p17 = $15K
-Colan TOS 94p8 = $5.7K
-Sekowsky WW 179 page for $2.7K (yeah, change in direction, but still, no costume)
-Land Wolverine 55 page = 4.5K



The $64k blows away the public sale price of any Ditko panel page I have seen.

Even on the private sales I have been privy too that's beyond anything short of a half splash or top 5 key page or 1st appearance pages.


I can understand that, however the Ditko ASM 30 page, a less desirable page, sold for $36K in the same auction.



But the $36k page had spidey in costume on 6 of the seven panels. It went within the range of several recent sales...maybe 10% above. Not a sale that moves the data trend to any material amount by any means.


I'm not saying I wasn't surprised as that's more than I've ever seen for a ditko panel page by a large margin (not that I watch too closely), but I have to say the more I look at that Spidey #6 page the more I like it. Its clearly a very signficant upgrade on the spidey 30 page no matter how many spidey panels the 30 page has. With the comforts of both hindsight, and stopping to really look at the #6 page, the ending price doesn't seem so crazy anymore. If the spidey 30 page is more or less market, and I think we pretty much agree there, then I don't see how the #6 page isn't 50k or more. Now I'm sure you know way more about the market on this than me! So I'm not doubting you whatsoever when you mention past sales, but that said, I can TOTALLY see why someone would pay signficantly more for the page from #6.

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#5714961 - 05/25/12 04:01 PM Re: Some interesting things in the May ComicLink Auction [Re: malvin]
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 Originally Posted By: malvin
 Originally Posted By: Mephisto

I personally think a lot of Modern OA is grossly overpriced especially when coming direct from an artist or their rep. of course if you ever really want a piece then you are often stuck paying to get an artist to part with it. Even modern artist I think are great like Finch I just have trouble seeing being a great investment with initial prices being so high. I don't know that much DC an marvel stuff the past 10-15 year is going to pull at nostalgic heart strings the way Lee and Todd M are doing.
It is always difficult when forecasting anything like this. I have an Indiana Jones piece I bought from a gallery. I really love the piece but had thought myself there is no way I will ever get close to what I paid should I ever sell. I've had the piece 3 or 4 years and was talking to the artist on Facebook a few months ago and he mentions. By the way if you need to let that painting go I have someone who has been hounding me about it since it was sold. So you never know what anyone person will be willing to pay.


I personally believe that the "overpricing" of modern OA is also related to how much they have appreciated in the last few years. Artists and their reps have seen prices go up to double or triple what they sold it a few years ago, so I can't blame them for pricing it high to make sure they don't leave money on the table again.

In the grand scheme of things, this should all balance. I've been personally believing it for the past few years, things can't keep on going up and up forever (and I've been wrong the past few years)

Finally, its a cliche, but when you are buying OA, while it's always good to get a good deal, you shouldn't buy it only because it will appreciate in the future.

Malvin



Its probably been debated many times but I liken new art to buying "hot" new comics. In five years the book (or artist in this case) probably won't be nearly as hot, and you'll probably lose money as a result. There are a few where you will win out, but on the whole its not a good investment compared to something more vintage with a longer more established track record.

In my view the brand new art is generally the same upside (at best!) and way more downside. But having never participated in that arena I am just guessing based on what I see in terms of asking prices on artists that I don't even recognize! gulp.

If you're buying what you like at prices you can afford, it shouldn't matter. But on the other hand, I'll say this, I personally don't like buying anything where I feel the chances of a loss are pretty good. Naturally that's a generalization and it depends on what specific pieces you buy.



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