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#5697798 - 05/20/12 08:33 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: gaz2810i]
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 Originally Posted By: gaz2810i
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Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, .


Spurs fans are used to this kind of disappointment. \:\(

Hopefully we can sign some exciting new players with the 80 millions pounds generated from the sale of Bale and Modric.


I hear Van Persie is looking for a move....


Great deflecting there \:\/


Not really. Arsenal always cope with losing big players. Spurs will find it very hard to replace Bale with a similarly talented player (especially one as young as him). Not to mention that I expect Defoe and one or two other players to move on as well.


Spurs fans, please don't take this next statement the wrong way but...

"Arsenal have lost more big name players in the last 15 years than Spurs have had in the same time frame and this will be our 16th consequtive season in the Champions League"

I am not trying to use this as a positive, because I do wonder where we would be if we didn't constantly, sell on our top players. However, this is where Wenger seriuously earns his money and I would not trust any other manage,r at any other team, to do the same bar maybe Fergurson. As the saying goeas don't try this at home. lol

My point though, is this, I am worried about RVP and Wallcott leaving but I would be more worried if I was a spurs fan about loosing Bale and Modric. Wenger has proven he can cope with loosing such beig names, I'm not sure Harry could.


Which is basically what I just said, only in two sentences. ;\)

Anyway, Wenger has his connections on the continent when it comes to finding quality inexpensive players that other EPL managers simply don't have, which was one of the main reasons he was hired in the first place.
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#5698028 - 05/20/12 11:08 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: goldust40]
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 Originally Posted By: goldust40
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Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.

I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football.


The inevitability of it all was what was staggering. Even after they scored I knew they wouldn't hang on. And when Drogba got the equalizer, it seemed certain Bayern would contrive to lose it.

Chelsea definitely seemed to have this team of destiny thing going for it.

Whenever I watch bits from their semi-final game at Barca, I still can't believe they didn't lose and didn't get knocked out.

Of course, once I picked Bayern, the die was cast. As Gene indicated, my kung fu has been very strong this year. \:p

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#5698034 - 05/20/12 11:12 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: goldust40]
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Drogba has been a great player for Chelsea over the years, particularly in big games, and out of that team I think he deserves a Champions League medal the most. And what a way to bow out (I assume) at Chelsea with an equalizer and a spot-kick that wins the biggest club trophy of all. Congrats to him, he earned it.

This is true, and I think he was the sole Chelsea player I was rooting to see get a title (and Ashley Cole just because it amuses me that so many ex-Arsenal players have gone on to win silverware this season).

The guy's record in the big games is incredible. He scores in every FA Cup final and has scored in both Champions League finals (although he sort of negated that by getting sent off the first time and fouling Ribery this time). He's also scored against Liverpool from all sorts of angles, so I'll be glad to see the back of him, even if Liverpool have taken 4 games in a row from Chelsea in the league.

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#5698801 - 05/20/12 06:45 PM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: tth2
Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.

I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football.


What a load of nonsense. Why were Chelsea least deserving?

Bayern were playing at home, had more supporters in the stadium, scored first, missed a penalty and then were 3-1 in the penalty shoot out.

But they just weren't good enough.

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#5699356 - 05/20/12 09:34 PM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: delekkerste]
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Did you guys happen to look at the final La Liga standings? It's quite something:

Real Madrid - 100 points
Barcelona - 91 points
Valencia - 61 points

That's a 39 point gap between 1st and 3rd place! Even the traditionally top-heavy Scottish league hasn't had a gap that large since 2001-02. doh\!

Also, Villarreal got relegated after finishing 4th last season. \:o
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#5699579 - 05/20/12 10:38 PM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Comicopolis]
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 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.

I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football.


What a load of nonsense. Why were Chelsea least deserving?

Because they were clearly the 2nd best team out there? Sometimes the scoreline or result doesn't always indicate that the best team won. Chelsea looked like Stoke out there, throwing their bodies around in the penalty area to desperately block Bayern's shots. Not exactly a convincing case.

As I indicated, Bayern can't complain because they squandered their chances. But that doesn't mean that they weren't better on the day. It should never have gone to penalties in the first place if Bayern had made their dominance count.

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#5699983 - 05/21/12 03:07 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.

I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football.


What a load of nonsense. Why were Chelsea least deserving?

Because they were clearly the 2nd best team out there? Sometimes the scoreline or result doesn't always indicate that the best team won. Chelsea looked like Stoke out there, throwing their bodies around in the penalty area to desperately block Bayern's shots. Not exactly a convincing case.

As I indicated, Bayern can't complain because they squandered their chances. But that doesn't mean that they weren't better on the day. It should never have gone to penalties in the first place if Bayern had made their dominance count.


But Tim the term deserving is subjective. I agree Bayern on the day played the best football but that doesn't mean they deserved to win any more than Chelsea did. Chelsea worke exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play and made the better of the chances they got. To me that makes the most deserving team Chelsea. In all honesty despite Bayern dominance at times, at no point did Chelsea look like they were in trouble and the common feeling is, even when they were down, people believed the would get back up.
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#5700048 - 05/21/12 06:51 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: gaz2810i]
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Excepting victims of obviously incorrect - and crucial - refereeing decisions, the team that 'deserves' to win the match is the team that actually wins the match. You can complain about a team's tactics all day long, but if they played within the rules of the game and presented you with a problem you could not solve, they deserved their victory.

Did Chelsea impress us with a brand of enterprising, free-flowing football that had the neutral salivating? No.

Did they play the correct game given the opposition and the circumstances, and did they keep their heads when it went down to the wire? Yes.

They were therefore 'deserving' winners.
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#5700106 - 05/21/12 08:14 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Flaming_Telepath]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: Flaming_Telepath
Excepting victims of obviously incorrect - and crucial - refereeing decisions, the team that 'deserves' to win the match is the team that actually wins the match. You can complain about a team's tactics all day long, but if they played within the rules of the game and presented you with a problem you could not solve, they deserved their victory.

Did Chelsea impress us with a brand of enterprising, free-flowing football that had the neutral salivating? No.

Did they play the correct game given the opposition and the circumstances, and did they keep their heads when it went down to the wire? Yes.

They were therefore 'deserving' winners.


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#5700111 - 05/21/12 08:18 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.

I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football.


What a load of nonsense. Why were Chelsea least deserving?

Because they were clearly the 2nd best team out there? Sometimes the scoreline or result doesn't always indicate that the best team won. Chelsea looked like Stoke out there, throwing their bodies around in the penalty area to desperately block Bayern's shots. Not exactly a convincing case.

As I indicated, Bayern can't complain because they squandered their chances. But that doesn't mean that they weren't better on the day. It should never have gone to penalties in the first place if Bayern had made their dominance count.


Using your 'logic' I guess then that Liverpool didn't deserve to win the CL against Milan, or that FA Cup Final against Arsenal when they were completely outplayed for 89 minutes but won with two break away goals by Michael Owen?

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