#5700140 - 05/21/12 08:54 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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goldust40
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Football (as it's known  ) is full of odd if not antiquated rules. Some critics have said that spot kicks are too harsh for certain infringements or fouls, especially considering how easily the ref can be fooled by divers.
On the other hand (as you mentioned) the ruling is in place to stop professional fouls in the penalty box. The attacking team can pick anyone on the pitch to take the penalty...it's been that way for decades.
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#5700265 - 05/21/12 10:13 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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tth2
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Chelsea work exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play
See, I don't agree with this at all. Just because only 1 goal was scored against them doesn't mean they were playing great defense. Bayern had clear cut opportunities that they blew because of poor finishing, not because of great defensive play. Yes, Chelsea were making some great blocks inside the penalty area, but that's because Bayern were moving the ball through the penalty area with impunity for much of the game.
If I see a team that gave up one goal but easily could've given up 3, I don't say that's a great defensive performance, I say that's a lucky defensive performance.
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#5700273 - 05/21/12 10:15 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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tth2
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Too bad for Spurs fans, the least deserving team definitely won, but Bayern spurned too many chances to feel as if they`ve been robbed.
I stand by my pick, as Bayern were the better team by miles, but they couldn`t make their dominance pay, and that`s the way the ball bounces in football. What a load of nonsense. Why were Chelsea least deserving? Because they were clearly the 2nd best team out there? Sometimes the scoreline or result doesn't always indicate that the best team won. Chelsea looked like Stoke out there, throwing their bodies around in the penalty area to desperately block Bayern's shots. Not exactly a convincing case. As I indicated, Bayern can't complain because they squandered their chances. But that doesn't mean that they weren't better on the day. It should never have gone to penalties in the first place if Bayern had made their dominance count. Using your 'logic' I guess then that Liverpool didn't deserve to win the CL against Milan, or that FA Cup Final against Arsenal when they were completely outplayed for 89 minutes but won with two break away goals by Michael Owen?
I don't think anyone could say with a straight face that Liverpool were the better team on either of those occasions.
Were they great victories? Absolutely. Were they deserved victories? Not really.
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#5700398 - 05/21/12 11:07 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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gaz2810i
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Chelsea work exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play See, I don't agree with this at all. Just because only 1 goal was scored against them doesn't mean they were playing great defense. Bayern had clear cut opportunities that they blew because of poor finishing, not because of great defensive play. Yes, Chelsea were making some great blocks inside the penalty area, but that's because Bayern were moving the ball through the penalty area with impunity for much of the game. If I see a team that gave up one goal but easily could've given up 3, I don't say that's a great defensive performance, I say that's a lucky defensive performance.
It's not even worth discussing this with you. IMHO any team that wins a game, legitimately, deserves it.
Edited by gaz2810i (05/21/12 11:11 AM)
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#5700435 - 05/21/12 11:22 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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tth2
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Chelsea work exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play See, I don't agree with this at all. Just because only 1 goal was scored against them doesn't mean they were playing great defense. Bayern had clear cut opportunities that they blew because of poor finishing, not because of great defensive play. Yes, Chelsea were making some great blocks inside the penalty area, but that's because Bayern were moving the ball through the penalty area with impunity for much of the game. If I see a team that gave up one goal but easily could've given up 3, I don't say that's a great defensive performance, I say that's a lucky defensive performance. It's not even worth discussing this with you. IMHO any team that wins a game, legitimately, deserves it.
It amuses me to no end to hear an Arsenal supporter saying this.
In any event, I wasn't even debating the issue of "deservng" with you anymore, just whether Chelsea really put in a "great" defensive effort.
But I guess you and Nick and Andrew will all say that so long as no goals were allowed, or only 1 in this case, then by definition it was a great defensive effort. And Westlife are a more deserving band because they sold more records, legitimately, than, say, the Velvet Underground, as if that's all there is to it.
Edited by tth2 (05/21/12 11:22 AM)
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#5700451 - 05/21/12 11:29 AM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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Comicopolis
Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.
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Chelsea work exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play See, I don't agree with this at all. Just because only 1 goal was scored against them doesn't mean they were playing great defense. Bayern had clear cut opportunities that they blew because of poor finishing, not because of great defensive play. Yes, Chelsea were making some great blocks inside the penalty area, but that's because Bayern were moving the ball through the penalty area with impunity for much of the game. If I see a team that gave up one goal but easily could've given up 3, I don't say that's a great defensive performance, I say that's a lucky defensive performance. It's not even worth discussing this with you. IMHO any team that wins a game, legitimately, deserves it. It amuses me to no end to hear an Arsenal supporter saying this. In any event, I wasn't even debating the issue of "deservng" with you anymore, just whether Chelsea really put in a "great" defensive effort. But I guess you and Nick and Andrew will all say that so long as no goals were allowed, or only 1 in this case, then by definition it was a great defensive effort. And Westlife are a more deserving band because they sold more records, legitimately, than, say, the Velvet Underground, as if that's all there is to it.
So what you are saying is that Liverpool are a really lucky team and you regret buying all of those Westlife records?
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#5700571 - 05/21/12 12:25 PM
Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread
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Chelsea work exceptionally hard, put in a great defensive play See, I don't agree with this at all. Just because only 1 goal was scored against them doesn't mean they were playing great defense. Bayern had clear cut opportunities that they blew because of poor finishing, not because of great defensive play. Yes, Chelsea were making some great blocks inside the penalty area, but that's because Bayern were moving the ball through the penalty area with impunity for much of the game. If I see a team that gave up one goal but easily could've given up 3, I don't say that's a great defensive performance, I say that's a lucky defensive performance. It's not even worth discussing this with you. IMHO any team that wins a game, legitimately, deserves it. It amuses me to no end to hear an Arsenal supporter saying this. In any event, I wasn't even debating the issue of "deservng" with you anymore, just whether Chelsea really put in a "great" defensive effort. But I guess you and Nick and Andrew will all say that so long as no goals were allowed, or only 1 in this case, then by definition it was a great defensive effort. And Westlife are a more deserving band because they sold more records, legitimately, than, say, the Velvet Underground, as if that's all there is to it.
In a football match, a team attempts to overcome the opposition with a mixture of selection, skill and tactics. If the tactics prove successful and they win the game, they will have deserved it.
It doesn't make them a better footballing team, necessarily, but it does make them more deserving in that one game.
If Bayern had had three perfectly good goals incorrectly ruled out, you'd have a point. But they didn't.
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