thirdgreenhamthirdgreenham
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Registered: 02/16/06
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Originally Posted By: Spiderman-on-Tilt
Originally Posted By: VintageComics
Originally Posted By: The Resurrection
Originally Posted By: VintageComics
Originally Posted By: The Resurrection
But roy. If you want to try on clothes you go and try them on. If you want to see the book, get it in hand. If you want cgc to spend time helping you research a potential investment, shouldnt they be compensated?
The analogy about trying the clothes on (or taking a car for a ride) before making a purchase is the same as trying to inspect inside the comic.
Most people don't buy a suit or a dress or a car before making sure it suits their needs.
Since the CGC holder encapsulates 30 or 60 pages and keeps them hidden from view it's impossible to know what is in there (much like trying to figure out whether a suit looks good on or a car drives like it should with trying it on). You can only see the cover.
As far as them charging for notes, if you'd read this thread you'd see that many to most people have no problem paying for them. Most people think the fee is unreasonably large. They also believe that CGC were compensated when they graded the book.
Did you even read the thread or are you channelling John now just to mess with me?
My point roy was either buy raw, or pay for notes.
And i think all cgc fees are overpriced. We arent paying for anything other than a tax for our own greed or lack of personal education.
I think that Captain Obvious post that Watson posted for John is appropriate here.
Yea well apparently some people on these boards don't get obvious things.
Can I get you to post once more, John. Just once more......
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The CGC sees this as a means of recuperating and or minimizing expenses directly attributed to a small minority of their customers. A good portion of these customers use this valuable information for personal gain. The CPR gang will continue to use the paid notes service as long as it is still profitable for them. The CGC will not lose a single one of the CPR gang as customers, as they understand the differential value between raw/graded/fully potentialized. Sure there will be some of the gang who decide that it is no longer worth the hassle, but their business will simply be absorbed by those who see $$$ on the table.
The quantity of books the CPR customers submit will drop, however the loss of slabbing revenue will be offset by the new notes revenue, as well as lowered costs of not having to provide the information for free.
I would postulate that a small percentage of calls were not specifically motivated by the callers own financial gain. Of these non financially motivated calls, many were using the notes service to prequalify purchases in the secondary market. It appears that most people are ignoring the fact that the secondary market is not CGC's primary customers.
Submitters are CGC's primary customers and I would imagine that probably 90% of them had no idea that notes were available or would even care to begin with.
Given all of the above, I am shocked that free notes were available beyond the time frame when CGC became widely recognized as an industry standard.
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vaillantvaillant
FACT if I stop posting, trillions and trillions of transistors would be out of work.
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Thnx. Most people think I talk too much.
@Roy: In some cases, it’s the only way to properly focus on questions. Economy of words is best, of course, but using them effectively is an art which needs practice, and internet "casual talk" does not help: it’s not a pondered, reflexive expression, as it forcedly becomes by actually writing. On paper.
@ board: I spoke with CGC's counsel SF yesterday and he informed me that CGC is aware of the concerns, comments and suggestions.
He made it very clear that the charging for the notes was a business decision and explained why. A discussion followed and the business model was addressed.
Additionally, we talked about a few other items that were addressed here on the board - property rights, copyright and license, etc. I communicated my concerns; he listened and a few times offered his perspective.
We had a lengthy and detailed dialogue.SF was general Counsel to Marvel for several years and shared his insights and experiences with the company, Stan, etc.
I believe this will work itself out.
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Of these non financially motivated calls, many were using the notes service to prequalify purchases in the secondary market. It appears that most people are ignoring the fact that the secondary market is not CGC's primary customers
I suppose Captain Obvious will have to make an appearance in this thread, because this belief gets bandied around without carefully considering how counter-intuitive it is to ignore that submitters need buyers. If buyers are no longer able to pre-qualify prospective purchases without the expenses associated to a fee-based grader note lookup, the resulting modification in buying behaviour will be linked to the drop in submission volume.
rodan57rodan57
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Registered: 01/24/06
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Originally Posted By: Mxwll Smrt
@ board: I spoke with CGC's counsel SF yesterday and he informed me that CGC is aware of the concerns, comments and suggestions.
He made it very clear that the charging for the notes was a business decision and explained why. A discussion followed and the business model was addressed.
Additionally, we talked about a few other items that were addressed here on the board - property rights, copyright and license, etc. I communicated my concerns; he listened and a few times offered his perspective.
I believe this will work itself out.
Topics aside, what did you actually talk about?
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Just once more...... 
