Yeah, I remember there was a "Scream" painting that was stolen in Sweden I believe....
The most recent theft was from the Munch Museum in Oslo, Norway. I was there in 1999 (see photo below) - as you can see, The Scream was not enclosed/protected and the small museum was barely guarded. It's no wonder the thieves so easily stole it and another famous Munch painting, Madonna, in 2004.
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Yeah, I remember there was a "Scream" painting that was stolen in Sweden I believe....
The most recent theft was from the Munch Museum in Oslo, Norway. I was there in 1999 (see photo below) - as you can see, The Scream was not enclosed/protected and the small museum was barely guarded. It's no wonder the thieves so easily stole it and another famous Munch painting, Madonna, in 2004.
Yeah, I remember there was a "Scream" painting that was stolen in Sweden I believe....
The most recent theft was from the Munch Museum in Oslo, Norway. I was there in 1999 (see photo below) - as you can see, The Scream was not enclosed/protected and the small museum was barely guarded. It's no wonder the thieves so easily stole it and another famous Munch painting, Madonna, in 2004.
#5649036 - 05/03/1211:59 AMRe: Move Over Dark Knight #3, Page 10
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Originally Posted By: delekkerste
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[quote=Bronty]that's not THE scream though is it. there were several versions IIRC and this is not the most prized one IIRC?
Are you sure you remember correctly, if you remember correctly? [/quote
There were several versions done and this wasn't the first or the last. But the others are all in museums and therefore not available. Still, it would be fair to compare it to a classic comic art piece that's either a vintage prelim or recreation.
well excuse me for the redundant redundancy
Your last sentence is exactly my point. This is very cool but it aint quite the real deal and the real deal would, I must assume, fetch a price that would dwarf this one.
I don't agree with the comparison - there really isn't a good comic OA parallel. Artists sometimes do several versions of a particular theme, like Van Gogh's Sunflowers or Monet's Houses of Parliament. There are 4 versions of The Scream, at least two of which have been extensively reproduced. The one that just sold at auction isn't as ubiquitous simply because it's been held in private hands, and to call it the equivalent of a prelim or recreation would be doing it a great injustice.
I think $120 million is a great price for that piece, for the right buyer. For example, an upstart museum in the Middle East could really bolster its cachet and get more bodies in the door having an iconic painting like that as part of its permanent collection.
Wasn't meaning to do it an injustice by equating it to a prelim. It only sounds that way because the comic art community's attitude toward prelims and recreations is strangely skewed. In some cases I would prefer a prelim to a classic cover much preferable to the final published examples of less intriguing images. The comic art community doesn't follow that logic, partly because it's tied to the published works and partly because there is greater hype for material that exists in greater numbers. Naturally, hype or lack of it has played and will play an even larger role in how comic recreations are valued.
#5649148 - 05/03/1212:34 PMRe: Move Over Dark Knight #3, Page 10
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"I don't agree with the comparison - there really isn't a good comic OA parallel. Artists sometimes do several versions of a particular theme, like Van Gogh's Sunflowers or Monet's Houses of Parliament. There are 4 versions of The Scream, at least two of which have been extensively reproduced. The one that just sold at auction isn't as ubiquitous simply because it's been held in private hands, and to call it the equivalent of a prelim or recreation would be doing it a great injustice."
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Oh I do understand that. Just making the point that it's not even THE piece so a record price for a lesser version of something isnt too bad! Gene if you had to guess what do you think the more ubiquitous version might be worth, based on this sale? More just interested in the ratio- double triple quadruple?
#5649158 - 05/03/1212:37 PMRe: Move Over Dark Knight #3, Page 10
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Originally Posted By: delekkerste
[quote=comicartfan] Yeah, I remember there was a "Scream" painting that was stolen in Sweden I believe....
The most recent theft was from the Munch Museum in Oslo, Norway. I was there in 1999 (see photo below) - as you can see, The Scream was not enclosed/protected and the small museum was barely guarded. It's no wonder the thieves so easily stole it and another famous Munch painting, Madonna, in 2004. [/quot
#5649185 - 05/03/1212:45 PMRe: Move Over Dark Knight #3, Page 10
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There may be no precise "parallels" but there are plenty of comic art pieces which have more than one example of a classic image. AF 15 cover, for one. Both would be highly sought after, and there are bound to be some who would prefer the first cover, by Ditko, to the published version. Same might be true of ASM 10 unpub cover v. published version. If I was not influenced by the costs or by conventional wisdom, and I was presented a choice between Kirby's prelim pencils for FF 20 versus the published version with Roussos inks, I would be more interested in the prelim. And what about people who pay tons of money for recreations of comic covers by Barks? Do similar line art originals go for more, less, the same? An ASM 100 recreation went for more than many thought the original was worth. And what about the Dark Knight page inked by Janson (published) versus the unique recreation penciled and inked entirely by Miller? And what about lightboxed pencils, where both the published inked version and the original pencil version still exist, but there are different artists involved in each and one artist is more valued than the other?
The values in comic art are evolving and not as "cut and (dried)" as many think.
