That being said, I think it's important to recognize the danger on both sides in trying to squeeze every last dime out of a transaction. I think it's possible for business to be conducted in a mutually beneficial way, but the current paradigm, which extends way beyond this little hobby, seems to be take everyone for every cent you can get and run. And the near economic collapse that was caused by this kind of 'capitalism', instead of shifting that paradigm, seems to have exacerbated it.
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One point though. It's not a cost of doing business. They already develop it internally. I'm guessing for the final grader to review. Therefore the creation doesn't cost money. The time spent giving out the notes costs money. They should've made it almost a negligible cost. That way they make some money but more importantly, save $$ by not answering calls on it.
The way I see it is the cost of doing business on CGC's side = the time spent on the phone because, ultimately, CGC makes money on CPR practices anyway.
On the presser's side, weigh this new "cost of doing business" against the easy money said presser has been making over the years, tying up CGC's phone lines.
Have you ever called and not gotten through because there was a presser tying up the phone lines?
"Thank you for calling CGC, your business is important to us. We currently have an above-average volume of pressers calling right now. Please be patient and the next available representative will be happy to assist you. "
Nice.
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someone should create a poll. I'm curious to see how many collectors/dealers would either pay a flat fee or a monthly fee for unlimited access to graders notes.
One point though. It's not a cost of doing business. They already develop it internally. I'm guessing for the final grader to review. Therefore the creation doesn't cost money. The time spent giving out the notes costs money. They should've made it almost a negligible cost. That way they make some money but more importantly, save $$ by not answering calls on it.
The way I see it is the cost of doing business on CGC's side = the time spent on the phone because, ultimately, CGC makes money on CPR practices anyway.
On the presser's side, weigh this new "cost of doing business" against the easy money said presser has been making over the years, tying up CGC's phone lines.
Have you ever called and not gotten through because there was a presser tying up the phone lines?
"Thank you for calling CGC, your business is important to us. We currently have an above-average volume of pressers calling right now. Please be patient and the next available representative will be happy to assist you. "
Nice.
Nice.
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The problem is nobody is going anywhere. They are the only (legitimate) game in town.
Exactly. The only thing the slow down has done for me, is get me to pay the fast track upcharge on anything that is not going to be locked up in my long term collection. More bread for CGC.
I'm seriously wondering if paying the extra for FT on a large (several hundred) VT submission would be worth it if I can get it back in 4-6 weeks, as opposed to the likely 5 month wait if I don't.
Multiple that decision by just a couple of dozen folks, and not only do you have a huge uptick in revenue if you're CGC, but all those poor suckers waiting on regular VTs might now be waiting 6-7 months as CGC scrambles to keep up with the Fast Tracks.
From the vantage point of someone who worships at the alter of Capitalism, its pure genius. Monopoly at its unadulterated finest.
Pay those FT fees boys, otherwise its a long and sorry wait that ain't gonna get any better.
This is such a tiny market, that it's actually conceivable that customers can work together and, speaking with their wallets, get CGC to really address their turnaround times, something that would, in the long run, get everyone their books quicker, and for less.
What you've outlined is the complete opposite of that.
Yeah but if the bulk of their business is adjusting and moving to Fast Track and still making money, what change is a group of people that may only amount to a small percentage of their business going to affect?
That's my point. The sum total of their business is a small market. We're not talking about boycotting the iPhone here.
Bit of a prisoner's dilemma though. While submitters as a group might be motivated to organize some sort of protest, think of the incentive for the individual seller to break ranks and still submit. Not only would the turnaround times drop like a stone during that period, there would be fewer books to contend with on resale. CGC would have to put the screws to the dealer population a LOT harder to get that sort of organized action to happen and stick.
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Is CGC trying to get rid of customers and business?
By charging for something that costs them time and, therefore, money? They are making it plainly clear that if you want this information, you will have to pay for it.
I think their prices are out of whack but they don't care what I think.
There are only a few options that will make them change their mind. Take your business elsewhere.
Start a new grading company and do things differently.
I can only speak for myself but CGC is not showing me that they put the customer first. Now they are showing a strong lack of regard for their core base of customers.
My comment is not just considering the new graders note fiasco.
Combine the graders notes policy change along with significant delays in turnaround times, increased fees and that's a recipe for customers to not do business with them.
My submissions have been reduced because of the crazy delays and price increases. Couple that with this notes thing and I can see how this will turn off some, if not many, customers.
They are making it harder for dealers to make money as well. Not smart business in my mind. I would guess a significant amount of their business comes from high volume dealers churning out collections and submitting books. They are just making it harder on the end customer when it should be the other way.
Make things easier for your customers and they will come back for more!
Would you say they`re acting `shady`.....
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Increased submission fees coupled w/ decreased realized prices led me to forgo submitting my measly annual 100 book submission. $5 for a scan, whatever they're charging for graders notes are two outrageous fees i'll never pay. love the boards tho.
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Increased submission fees coupled w/ decreased realized prices led me to forgo submitting my measly annual 100 book submission. $5 for a scan, whatever they're charging for graders notes are two outrageous fees i'll never pay. love the boards tho.
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Increased submission fees coupled w/ decreased realized prices led me to forgo submitting my measly annual 100 book submission. $5 for a scan, whatever they're charging for graders notes are two outrageous fees i'll never pay. love the boards tho.
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