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#5595499 - 04/12/12 02:49 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: FUELMAN]
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Looking at the Military, Police and Air Fighters, I see what appears to be "3_" (not sure the letter), "2x", and "2g" in the same handwriting as the date. I'd guess that is some sort of code put on by the camp store or the distributor, just like the dates. I find it hard to believe those refer to the building she lived in because those three comics came out every other month over a six month span. Seems unlikely she changed buildings three times in six months, but I suppose its possible.

I also now see there's something written next to the issue no. on the CA. What does that say? Be interesting if it is a different number/letter combination, as the CA may have come out the month between the Policy and Air Fighters and would further call into question whether that refers to a building address.

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#5595508 - 04/12/12 02:53 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: sfcityduck]
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 Originally Posted By: sfcityduck
 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock
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Again, so "camp code" just refers to the date?


Let's see if I can make it simple so that you might more easily understand....
Camp Code...

Notice all of the writing at the top? Some of that coding supposedly refers to the actually building where she was confined. I doubt a young "Miss Okajima" had penmanship like that.



The only "code" I see on that book is the name "Okajima" and what appears to me to be the date "5-9-44." CA 40 is cover dated 7/44 so a 5/44 issuance date is consistent with the cover date. Is the "5-9-44" on all the comic books regardless of the approximate dates they came out, or are other numbers consistent with dates on other books from the collection?

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anything that refers ot the building where she was confined. Can you transcribe that part of the "code" so I know what you are referring to?

The story seems a little implausible to me because the internees obtained their comic books from camp stores. They weren't confined to a barracks like a POW camp, but had freedom of movement within the camp (and actually some were also allowed to take trips outside the camps also). I suppose she might have put her "address" (e.g., the building number she lived in) on the comic, but there is no way that was done by any camp officials.

As for the penmanship, back in the 40s kids learned cursive (unlike, in some schools, today) and used it frequently. And the Japanese kids were often excellent students. The penmanship looks like school-girl cursive to me.

On the right side of the cover is an additional code. It is faint on the Cap. But look through the thread. All of the other books have it. 2X, 2J etc. That code is on all of the books from this time period. Explain those codes as well please. And a couple of honest questions. Since the books from this collection obviously have different markings from the war years versus those from later, and since it is commonly accepted that the OO was in the internment camps, what problem are you having with calling them "camp-coded" Okajimas? Are we committing some PC offense? Or are you just concerned that the implication of calling them camp-coded might be perpetrating some fraud on the collecting community?
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#5595511 - 04/12/12 02:55 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: sfcityduck]
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so you think the clerk at the "company store" or the distributor wrote the date and the short numerical code, and that the little girl wrote "okajima." you think two different hands/pens were involved, right?

i dare say you would be in a mitch medhy-type minority in that view. it could not be more obvious to me that the same person/pen is writing ALL of the notations we see.
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#5595515 - 04/12/12 02:57 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: Straw-Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Straw-Man
and when you do finally see the third component of the "code," you'll not be able to say it's like the church books ultimate number, that relates to how many issues were distributed to the seller, since you say it was a schoolgirl who is doing the writing.

Boom! That's some special kind of lawyering action right there.

If the girl didn't write the code then code must have been written by the camp.
Camp-coded.
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#5595519 - 04/12/12 02:59 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: Straw-Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Straw-Man
we think/understand that the last aspect of the code deals with where she was housed.

and tho' it's incapable of proof, i'd bet my hat, a$$ and overcoat that is wasn't a little girl who wrote on those books.



If we knew what camp she was in, or even her name (which I could use to trace what camp she was in, then we could find out how the buildings were designated at that camp and maybe even her actual addresses in the camp. Which would nail this down. But, unless you got something other than speculation based on the fact that the comics have a date and a number-letter code (which appears to be the same handwriting), I'm not sure how you can conclude that refers to where she was housed.

Which I'm not sure matters at all. What is cool is that you know that the books came from a collection compiled by a girl while interned. Even if the "coding" was put on by a distributor or the camp store and has nothing to do with where the girl lived, it doesn't diminish the book. So take a chill pill.

As for the handwriting, I don't think it is inconsistent with fourth grade girl's handwriting back then. Handwriting is a fading art now, so I can see why you might be skeptical.

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#5595530 - 04/12/12 03:02 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: MrBedrock]
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look how obvious it is that the same pen wrote it all:

on this one, the pen used had a pretty fine nib---see how delicate the inks are on all three components of the code.



but this time, the pen grabbed had a much broader nib, and thus all 3 components of the code are layed down in a very thick ink flow. all 3, identical.



yep, same person/pen took care of all 3 components of the code.
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#5595543 - 04/12/12 03:08 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: Straw-Man]
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so you think the clerk at the "company store" or the distributor wrote the date and the short numerical code, and that the little girl wrote "okajima." you think two different hands/pens were involved, right?

i dare say you would be in a mitch medhy-type minority in that view. it could not be more obvious to me that the same person/pen is writing ALL of the notations we see.


I don't see how you can concluded that the word "Okajima" is the same hand as the numbers or even the letters "x" and "g" as there are absolutely zero points of comparison. In my profession, I occassionally use handwriting experts, and I don't think there's enough data to do the analysis. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Not sure why you got your panties in a wad over this, but I view your attempt to compare me to Mitch Mehdy as sort of a violation of "Goodwin's Law" at least as applied to this sight.

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#5595547 - 04/12/12 03:10 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: sfcityduck]
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 Originally Posted By: sfcityduck
So take a chill pill.


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#5595550 - 04/12/12 03:10 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: MrBedrock]
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 Originally Posted By: MrBedrock
 Originally Posted By: Straw-Man
and when you do finally see the third component of the "code," you'll not be able to say it's like the church books ultimate number, that relates to how many issues were distributed to the seller, since you say it was a schoolgirl who is doing the writing.

Boom! That's some special kind of lawyering action right there.

If the girl didn't write the code then code must have been written by the camp.
Camp-coded.


Or a distributor. Or other internees (who I think sometimes ran the stores). Poof.

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#5595552 - 04/12/12 03:11 PM Re: post your internment camp-coded okajima books [Re: sfcityduck]
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 Originally Posted By: sfcityduck
 Originally Posted By: Straw-Man
so you think the clerk at the "company store" or the distributor wrote the date and the short numerical code, and that the little girl wrote "okajima." you think two different hands/pens were involved, right?

i dare say you would be in a mitch medhy-type minority in that view. it could not be more obvious to me that the same person/pen is writing ALL of the notations we see.


I don't see how you can concluded that the word "Okajima" is the same hand as the numbers or even the letters "x" and "g" as there are absolutely zero points of comparison. In my profession, I occassionally use handwriting experts, and I don't think there's enough data to do the analysis. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Not sure why you got your panties in a wad over this, but I view your attempt to compare me to Mitch Mehdy as sort of a violation of "Goodwin's Law" at least as applied to this sight.


i do feel bad about that, and am apologizing here and now for it.
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