Another thought on the whole Marvel staffer PR thing is that Marvel most likely pays some of them pensions that could be rescinded for cause if it came to light that they stole art from the company.
Or maybe Marvel would increase the amount of the pensions as a reward for good services provided to the company.
#5597223 - 04/13/1205:28 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
[Re: Ferran Delgado]
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One of the best questions raised here is where is all of the phenomenal art that was in the back of the CBG and sold by Sotheby's and Christies? We know for a fact all of that art is out there. Fact is that despite all of the publicity we see and this echo chamber aka the boards, a lot of this art is stored away or literally in the closet of a collector who bought something 20 years ago and doesnt really know its value.
2 Ditko ASM pages walked into a con last year and the guy had no idea what the were worth. A few years ago a friend of a friend sold me a Kirby page and an Avengers splash that he still had in the envelope sent to him by Tony DiSpoto decades earlier. It was the only OA he ever bought.
There is still a lot of OA out there to come. However I don't think much of that will be the Marvel covers we would love to see surface unfortunately.
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#5597453 - 04/13/1209:55 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
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delekkerstedelekkerste James Bond wears a Rolex...the rest is just product placement.
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Originally Posted By: dem1138
One of the best questions raised here is where is all of the phenomenal art that was in the back of the CBG and sold by Sotheby's and Christies? We know for a fact all of that art is out there. Fact is that despite all of the publicity we see and this echo chamber aka the boards, a lot of this art is stored away or literally in the closet of a collector who bought something 20 years ago and doesnt really know its value.
A lot of the early covers may have been destroyed, but between the known inventory of the Marvel art vault, those earlier sales you referenced and all the art which we know still exists but is only talked about off the record in hushed tones, there is certainly a LOT of great art out there that is not accounted for on CAF or in the Heritage and other archives.
I don't think that it is not resurfacing because of its perceived great investment value (as Ferran suggested); I think it is more a case of:
1. The owners bought the art a long time ago and are oblivious to current market conditions
or
2. The owners know what it's worth but would rather have the art than anything else (and you and I can both name both minnows and whales who fit into this category).
#2 is not so hard to believe...at current prevailing prices, any one of us here could point to a number of otherwise middle-income collectors and dealers out there who could be set for life and live high on the hog if they simply liquidated their collections. Clearly, though, they value ownership of the art, the thrill and profit of doing deals and/or their status in the hobby more than the money they could get from giving it all up.
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Originally Posted By: Kevin.J
I would settle for someone to post a couple of great covers, just so I could drool over them.
Hardly in the big league (though, to my mind the Subby cover, as an image, is up there with the best of 'em), here are my three remaining large art 1960s Marvel covers:
"In time, no one will remember our work. Our life will pass like the traces of a cloud and be scattered like mist that is chased by the rays of the sun. For our time is the passing of a shadow . . ."
#5597542 - 04/13/1210:53 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
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Gene I think you are right with respect to #2. I know many "gray-haired" collectors that were buying back in the Stone Age of collecting (1980's Cochran sales to the 1990's Christies and Sothebys sales). They know what they have, they know what it is worth and they are VERY content to keep it quiet and to themselves. I think the CAF and CGC boards are a small pool in an otherwise big ocean of collectors.
