But when it comes to pre 1965 covers, most are not. I don't think they are in an attic or hidden in an ex staffer collection. I think most were destroyed. Pre 1965 covers are rare, and we better get used to it. With prices escalating as they have, if they do indeed exist, we should have seen many more covers by now popping to the surface.
#5587182 - 04/09/1209:12 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
[Re: skyking]
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Originally Posted By: skyking
Those that don't need the admiration of other collectors to enjoy their art hold the keys.
That's painting with a broad brush. There are many reasons people showcase/don't showcase their art that have nothing to do with needing approval before enjoying their pieces.
I would think 2 main reasons owners of key covers don't showcase their pieces are:
1) The pieces are worth big $ and the owners don't want the risk of someone attempting to rob them 2) Many of the pieces are considered stolen from the artists, and if the pieces were discovered, the artists/artists family might attempt to recover the art (being ostracized by some other collectors in this smaller hobby might occur during this also- bad for a hobby that relies heavily on networking)
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Originally Posted By: glenbru
All the PAGES are out there...
But when it comes to pre 1965 covers, most are not. I don't think they are in an attic or hidden in an ex staffer collection. I think most were destroyed. Pre 1965 covers are rare, and we better get used to it. With prices escalating as they have, if they do indeed exist, we should have seen many more covers by now popping to the surface.
That's the story I heard.
It's also worth remembering that (interior) pages were kept for reprint possibilities.
Covers were created to front a book for the time of issue (date and issue number), and were probably considered obsolete once they were used - so I'd go along with the idea that they were routinely destroyed.
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#5587211 - 04/09/1209:27 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
[Re: Kevin.J]
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Originally Posted By: Kevin.J
I know that back in the day, some art was held and trashed by the studios and some was returned to the creators. But I have never really seen any top covers for sale. AF #15, AMS #1, FF#1 etc. are they locked in collections or are they out there.
The Library of Congress has the AF15 OA It can be seen through appointment.
Thank you for your interest in the collections of the Library of Congress. Yes, we permit individuals and groups to see Steve Ditko's original art for Amazing Fantasy #15. Please let me know if you are only interested in the Spider-man story.
The Prints & Photographs Division is closed on Saturdays and Sundays. I work from 6:30-3:00 and offer appointment times that start between 8:30 and 1:30 (to allow researchers a proper amount of time to view art). I tend to take my holidays in August, and intend to be away from the Library of Congress from Friday August 13, through Friday, August 20, 2010. In addition, I may not work every day the week of August 23 through August 27, but can make myself available.
The Prints and Photographs Division is located in room 339 of the Madison Building of the Library of Congress, 101 Independence Ave., SE, between 1st and 2nd streets. The nearest Metro station is Capitol South. We are a quick walk across Capitol Hill from Union Station.
You may bring a hand-held camera that can be operated without flash using available light for reference purposes. The drawings are housed under mylar and will not be removed during your appointment.
If you do not already possess a Library of Congress researcher card (available with one form of picture ID that contains your current address, you will need to stop in room 140 and get one before you arrive in the Prints & Photographs Division): < http://www.loc.gov/rr/security/readerreg.html >. Everyone in the group will need one.
I cannot show the comic book to anyone younger than 16. There is no exception to this rule (even my own son is counting the days until he is old enough to see it). There is a Young Reader's Center in the Library, and I suggest it as an alternative arrangement for children.
I look forward to meeting you. Please let me know when in August you intend to visit, and how many people will be in the group.
Sincerely,
Sara W. Duke Curator, Popular and Applied Graphic Art Prints and Photographs Division Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540-4730
#5587263 - 04/09/1210:00 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
[Re: comicdonna]
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Originally Posted By: comicdonna
Originally Posted By: Kevin.J
I know that back in the day, some art was held and trashed by the studios and some was returned to the creators. But I have never really seen any top covers for sale. AF #15, AMS #1, FF#1 etc. are they locked in collections or are they out there.
The Library of Congress has the AF15 OA It can be seen through appointment.
Thank you for your interest in the collections of the Library of Congress. Yes, we permit individuals and groups to see Steve Ditko's original art for Amazing Fantasy #15. Please let me know if you are only interested in the Spider-man story.
The Prints & Photographs Division is closed on Saturdays and Sundays. I work from 6:30-3:00 and offer appointment times that start between 8:30 and 1:30 (to allow researchers a proper amount of time to view art). I tend to take my holidays in August, and intend to be away from the Library of Congress from Friday August 13, through Friday, August 20, 2010. In addition, I may not work every day the week of August 23 through August 27, but can make myself available.
The Prints and Photographs Division is located in room 339 of the Madison Building of the Library of Congress, 101 Independence Ave., SE, between 1st and 2nd streets. The nearest Metro station is Capitol South. We are a quick walk across Capitol Hill from Union Station.
You may bring a hand-held camera that can be operated without flash using available light for reference purposes. The drawings are housed under mylar and will not be removed during your appointment.
If you do not already possess a Library of Congress researcher card (available with one form of picture ID that contains your current address, you will need to stop in room 140 and get one before you arrive in the Prints & Photographs Division): < http://www.loc.gov/rr/security/readerreg.html >. Everyone in the group will need one.
I cannot show the comic book to anyone younger than 16. There is no exception to this rule (even my own son is counting the days until he is old enough to see it). There is a Young Reader's Center in the Library, and I suggest it as an alternative arrangement for children.
I look forward to meeting you. Please let me know when in August you intend to visit, and how many people will be in the group.
Sincerely,
Sara W. Duke Curator, Popular and Applied Graphic Art Prints and Photographs Division Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540-4730
Would love to see that. Steve Ditko is one of my favorite artists, AF#15 is the most expensive comic I have ever bought and my most expensive page of OA is by Steve Ditko. I wonder why no kids allowed. Thanks for that info.
As usual, email or forum postings are a terrible way to convey intent. I simply meant not all collectors display their art to the public. Nothing else. Thanks to all those that share, my internet collection of original Silver Age art scans is nearing 1000 pages.
As to the covers..they are all there..maybe you should ask a straight "Shooter" were they might be. FF1 for sure. The suggestion covers were trashed but interior pages saved defies logic. Remember, even in 1964 Collectors Items Classics had cover repos..on the covers. So much for not wanting to save them. There is indeed one reason many are not being seen, and that is the single issue of ownership. The only safe way to out them is to donate them as was done with the AF 15 interior pages..otherwise many of us will never have the pleasure of ever even seeing a scan.
My favorite, but never verified urban myth was that pages were given as gifts to visitors to the Marvel offices during the early 60's. However, not one single documented case of that ever happening. Would love to hear a testimonial and see the page given to any individual.
Wish I could get in my wayback machine with Mr. Peabody and get the real story, and maybe a few pages.
It's all out there. Do you all really think somehow Marie was able to provide the interior pages to AF 15 without at least knowing where the cover was? In that case maybe one of my favorite artists of all time in Johnstown could fill us all in.
I absolutely have to make the "request" and pilgrimage to the National Museum and see those pages to AF 15, if anything just to marvel at their pristine condition. Wow. Better than Cooperstown in my opinion.
Mark (well over 50 years into this hobby, and loving it more every day!)
#5594320 - 04/12/1212:44 AMRe: Where are the classic silver age covers
[Re: skyking]
Kevin.JKevin.J
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Originally Posted By: skyking
I absolutely have to make the "request" and pilgrimage to the National Museum and see those pages to AF 15, if anything just to marvel at their pristine condition. Wow. Better than Cooperstown in my opinion.
Mark (well over 50 years into this hobby, and loving it more every day!)
If I lived in the US it would be top of my " to do " list.
My favorite, but never verified urban myth was that pages were given as gifts to visitors to the Marvel offices during the early 60's. However, not one single documented case of that ever happening. Would love to hear a testimonial and see the page given to any individual.
Irene Vartanoff, who had the task to make an inventory of the Marvel storage of Original art, commented in an interview to The Comics Journal that he had to fight to prevent some Marvel staffers to give them as a gift as it was a common practice till then.
