Some here suggest that ripping people off is what DC has always done and so Moore should have accepted his treatment and kept on working for them. I fail to see why he should have. Nor why it was unacceptable for him to pursue an indie route as a publisher as a response.
Hmmm... I must've missed the part where ANYONE suggested Moore should've accepted his fate, rather than pursuing a different publishing/creative path. I've also missed the part where it was stated that DC has always ripped people off.
_________________________ 'Rosie had 'Property of Tom' tattooed on her arm when we got married. So, for a while there, I was the fourth largest property owner in California' Tom Arnold, at the Roseanne Barr roast
Ah - people getting over-excited again because Alan Moore didn't like being ripped off by a big corporation and really it's his own fault for trusting the evil barstewardsnot reading a contract and what has he ever done for the comic book industry anyway and anyone who agrees with him is a fawning sycophant (their second album is great but they just ripped off the Beatles and Elvis so they should stop complaining about people sampling their new tunes) so everybody should stop whining and get over it and get a job and read a proper novel or one of those lovely Harry Potter books for adults.
Adjusted for clarity.
_________________________ 'Rosie had 'Property of Tom' tattooed on her arm when we got married. So, for a while there, I was the fourth largest property owner in California' Tom Arnold, at the Roseanne Barr roast
Once again... your over-simplification to justify your rude judgmental-comments once again further displays your lack of depth in understanding and your over-sized ego/arrogance.
In all obviousness... the contract was thought nothing more, but a reassurance of the understanding that was thought to have been shared with those parties involved during the inception of The Watchmen, to think that he should have anything to worry about when it was pitched to Alan/Dave and that agreement premise on the understanding and acceptance that rights would be retain in entirely even in part to allowance of how DC wanted to exploit the work, but rights would be regain and retain once the normal circulation of the title went its course... is just a hindsight-decision/judgement in part, that was not available or capable of Alan Moore at the time seeing that there was more to his relationships there then him just being a working-pawn in the DC Comics.
Also... genius is a stature given in hindsight of someones life. There is nothing stupid about trusting your friends/colleagues or even family.
P.S. If anything... DC Comic and all of there executives were all stupid to think Alan Moore would have stayed and endure the way they treat true-writers/creators apart of there company. They got away with it with Jack Kirby, but Alan Moore came in in a different time-period and gladly walked away and STILL IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE REVERED for his choice and his decisions since!
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"IN BRIGHTEST DAY... IN BLACKEST NIGHT. NO EVIL SHALL ESCAPE MY SIGHT. LET THOSE WHO WORSHIP EVIL'S MIGHT. BEWARE MY POWER... GREEN LANTERN'S LIGHT!"
"IN DARKEST DAY... IN BRIGHTEST NIGHT. BEWARE YOUR FEARS... MADE INTO LIGHT. LET THOSE WHO TRY... TO STOP WHATS RIGHT. BURN LIKE MY POWER... SINESTRO'S MIGHT!"
"FOR HEARTS LONG LOST AND FULL OF FRIGHT. FOR THOSE ALONE IN BLACKEST NIGHT. ACCEPT OUR RING AND JOIN OUR FIGHT. LOVE CONQUERS ALL... WITH VIOLET LIGHT!"
"WITH BLOOD AND RAGE OF CRIMSON RED. RIPPED FROM A CORPSE SO FRESHLY DEAD. TOGETHER WITH OUR HELLISH HATE. WE'LL BURN YOU ALL... THAT IS YOUR FATE!"
"IN FEARFUL DAY... IN RAGING NIGHT. WITH STRONG HEARTS FULL... OUR SOULS IGNITE. WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST IN THE "WAR OF LIGHT". LOOK TO THE STARS... FOR HOPE BURNS BRIGHT!"
"THE BLACKEST NIGHT FALLS FROM THE SKIES. THE DARKNESS GROWS... AS ALL LIGHT DIES. WE CRAVE YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR DEMISE. BY MY BLACK HAND... THE DEAD SHALL RISE!"
Once again... your over-simplification to justify your rude judgmental-comments once again further displays your lack of depth in understanding and your over-sized ego/arrogance.
Some situations ARE simple. A contract is a legal and binding document. All of our board lawyers will advise you that a contract should be read before signing.
'Lack of depth in understanding' in this case means not giving Alan a free pass for a terrible error in judgement - not reading the terms of a legal document.
As far as the question of Alan Moore being a genius - that's not something I'd debate. He's one of, if not the, finest writers to work in the medium. His work itself is not at issue here.
BTW, any 'rude judgemental-comments' in your first paragraph?
_________________________ 'Rosie had 'Property of Tom' tattooed on her arm when we got married. So, for a while there, I was the fourth largest property owner in California' Tom Arnold, at the Roseanne Barr roast
Once again... your over-simplification to justify your rude judgmental-comments once again further displays your lack of depth in understanding and your over-sized ego/arrogance.
Some situations ARE simple. A contract is a legal and binding document. All of our board lawyers will advise you that a contract should be read before signing.
'Lack of depth in understanding' in this case means not giving Alan a free pass for a terrible error in judgement - not reading the terms of a legal document.
As far as the question of Alan Moore being a genius - that's not something I'd debate. He's one of, if not the, finest writers to work in the medium. His work itself is not at issue here.
BTW, any 'rude judgmental-comments' in your first paragraph?
Hiyo!
Your lack of ability to understand the context of the pitch and purposed agreement during the inception of The Watchmen describe is what the problem is. Who are we to Alan Moore that we have any authority to judge whether if it was or not and even if so... should we not forgive to give some sort of "free pass" or not; you nor I, but ONLY Alan Moore has the right to decide this sort of fact on HIS decision from HIS past that HE-HIMSELF experienced.
Sure, we can have our opinion on the events describe, but only in the context to describe our feelings based on...
You have over-stepped your boundary and crossed into the territories of sheer arrogance in defiance of your place in regards to the discussion. If your statements were, "Good thing now people have better understandings for contractual agreements and how having council can aid in reduction of exploitation or thief of rights that persons would have under those circumstances", then we would have no problem and further go into examples toward other true-writer exploited-situations or further the narrative and give examples of law today, but since you neither said this... argument ensues!
Over-simplification is just as bad, if not worst then over-generalization...
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"IN BRIGHTEST DAY... IN BLACKEST NIGHT. NO EVIL SHALL ESCAPE MY SIGHT. LET THOSE WHO WORSHIP EVIL'S MIGHT. BEWARE MY POWER... GREEN LANTERN'S LIGHT!"
"IN DARKEST DAY... IN BRIGHTEST NIGHT. BEWARE YOUR FEARS... MADE INTO LIGHT. LET THOSE WHO TRY... TO STOP WHATS RIGHT. BURN LIKE MY POWER... SINESTRO'S MIGHT!"
"FOR HEARTS LONG LOST AND FULL OF FRIGHT. FOR THOSE ALONE IN BLACKEST NIGHT. ACCEPT OUR RING AND JOIN OUR FIGHT. LOVE CONQUERS ALL... WITH VIOLET LIGHT!"
"WITH BLOOD AND RAGE OF CRIMSON RED. RIPPED FROM A CORPSE SO FRESHLY DEAD. TOGETHER WITH OUR HELLISH HATE. WE'LL BURN YOU ALL... THAT IS YOUR FATE!"
"IN FEARFUL DAY... IN RAGING NIGHT. WITH STRONG HEARTS FULL... OUR SOULS IGNITE. WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST IN THE "WAR OF LIGHT". LOOK TO THE STARS... FOR HOPE BURNS BRIGHT!"
"THE BLACKEST NIGHT FALLS FROM THE SKIES. THE DARKNESS GROWS... AS ALL LIGHT DIES. WE CRAVE YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR DEMISE. BY MY BLACK HAND... THE DEAD SHALL RISE!"
Once again... your over-simplification to justify your rude judgmental-comments once again further displays your lack of depth in understanding and your over-sized ego/arrogance.
Some situations ARE simple. A contract is a legal and binding document. All of our board lawyers will advise you that a contract should be read before signing.
'Lack of depth in understanding' in this case means not giving Alan a free pass for a terrible error in judgement - not reading the terms of a legal document.
As far as the question of Alan Moore being a genius - that's not something I'd debate. He's one of, if not the, finest writers to work in the medium. His work itself is not at issue here.
BTW, any 'rude judgmental-comments' in your first paragraph?
You have over-stepped your boundary and crossed into the territories of sheer arrogance in defiance of your place in regards to the discussion. If your statements were, "Good thing now people have better understandings for contractual agreements and how having council can aid in reduction of exploitation or thief of rights that persons would have under those circumstances", then we would have no problem and further go into examples toward other true-writer exploited-situations or further the narrative and give examples of law today, but since you neither said this... argument ensues!
Regarding the italicized, did we not know these things in 1985??
_________________________ 'Rosie had 'Property of Tom' tattooed on her arm when we got married. So, for a while there, I was the fourth largest property owner in California' Tom Arnold, at the Roseanne Barr roast
Once again... your over-simplification to justify your rude judgmental-comments once again further displays your lack of depth in understanding and your over-sized ego/arrogance.
Some situations ARE simple. A contract is a legal and binding document. All of our board lawyers will advise you that a contract should be read before signing.
'Lack of depth in understanding' in this case means not giving Alan a free pass for a terrible error in judgement - not reading the terms of a legal document.
As far as the question of Alan Moore being a genius - that's not something I'd debate. He's one of, if not the, finest writers to work in the medium. His work itself is not at issue here.
BTW, any 'rude judgmental-comments' in your first paragraph?
You have over-stepped your boundary and crossed into the territories of sheer arrogance in defiance of your place in regards to the discussion. If your statements were, "Good thing now people have better understandings for contractual agreements and how having council can aid in reduction of exploitation or thief of rights that persons would have under those circumstances", then we would have no problem and further go into examples toward other true-writer exploited-situations or further the narrative and give examples of law today, but since you neither said this... argument ensues!
Regarding the italicized, did we not know these things in 1985??
Hiyo!
Sure, if he had reason to have a working-knowledge of United State federal laws according to Patent-rights...
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"IN BRIGHTEST DAY... IN BLACKEST NIGHT. NO EVIL SHALL ESCAPE MY SIGHT. LET THOSE WHO WORSHIP EVIL'S MIGHT. BEWARE MY POWER... GREEN LANTERN'S LIGHT!"
"IN DARKEST DAY... IN BRIGHTEST NIGHT. BEWARE YOUR FEARS... MADE INTO LIGHT. LET THOSE WHO TRY... TO STOP WHATS RIGHT. BURN LIKE MY POWER... SINESTRO'S MIGHT!"
"FOR HEARTS LONG LOST AND FULL OF FRIGHT. FOR THOSE ALONE IN BLACKEST NIGHT. ACCEPT OUR RING AND JOIN OUR FIGHT. LOVE CONQUERS ALL... WITH VIOLET LIGHT!"
"WITH BLOOD AND RAGE OF CRIMSON RED. RIPPED FROM A CORPSE SO FRESHLY DEAD. TOGETHER WITH OUR HELLISH HATE. WE'LL BURN YOU ALL... THAT IS YOUR FATE!"
"IN FEARFUL DAY... IN RAGING NIGHT. WITH STRONG HEARTS FULL... OUR SOULS IGNITE. WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST IN THE "WAR OF LIGHT". LOOK TO THE STARS... FOR HOPE BURNS BRIGHT!"
"THE BLACKEST NIGHT FALLS FROM THE SKIES. THE DARKNESS GROWS... AS ALL LIGHT DIES. WE CRAVE YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR DEMISE. BY MY BLACK HAND... THE DEAD SHALL RISE!"
Despite whatever that was all about, I'll say it again in simple terms: In 1985 that probably seemed like a decent deal. No tpb was consistently in print over the course of any lengthy period of time. I'm pretty sure DC didn't purposely screw them over, because they couldn't really KNOW it was something that would be in print for 20+ years. They benefitted from the wording of the contract, and Moore got his work out there for the world to see. DC could have, you good faith, reworked a deal for them, but that's not really in their best interests. It just doesn't work that way. So Moore has hard feelings about it. End of story.
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"IN BRIGHTEST DAY... IN BLACKEST NIGHT. NO EVIL SHALL ESCAPE MY SIGHT. LET THOSE WHO WORSHIP EVIL'S MIGHT. BEWARE MY POWER... GREEN LANTERN'S LIGHT!"
"IN DARKEST DAY... IN BRIGHTEST NIGHT. BEWARE YOUR FEARS... MADE INTO LIGHT. LET THOSE WHO TRY... TO STOP WHATS RIGHT. BURN LIKE MY POWER... SINESTRO'S MIGHT!"
"FOR HEARTS LONG LOST AND FULL OF FRIGHT. FOR THOSE ALONE IN BLACKEST NIGHT. ACCEPT OUR RING AND JOIN OUR FIGHT. LOVE CONQUERS ALL... WITH VIOLET LIGHT!"
"WITH BLOOD AND RAGE OF CRIMSON RED. RIPPED FROM A CORPSE SO FRESHLY DEAD. TOGETHER WITH OUR HELLISH HATE. WE'LL BURN YOU ALL... THAT IS YOUR FATE!"
"IN FEARFUL DAY... IN RAGING NIGHT. WITH STRONG HEARTS FULL... OUR SOULS IGNITE. WHEN ALL SEEMS LOST IN THE "WAR OF LIGHT". LOOK TO THE STARS... FOR HOPE BURNS BRIGHT!"
"THE BLACKEST NIGHT FALLS FROM THE SKIES. THE DARKNESS GROWS... AS ALL LIGHT DIES. WE CRAVE YOUR HEARTS AND YOUR DEMISE. BY MY BLACK HAND... THE DEAD SHALL RISE!"
Hiyo!
