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#5565017 - 03/31/12 02:43 AM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: coinman_23885]
Raybo55 Offline
Talkative?


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 Originally Posted By: coinman_23885
 Originally Posted By: FishyOne
 Originally Posted By: Raybo55
 Originally Posted By: FishyOne
You can't cross it at NGC, they only accept PCGS graded coins for crossover.

Are you asking if it will cross at PCGS?

If cracked and submitted raw to NGC, my gut feeling is it will grade problem-free. It may be slightly netted down for the old cleaning.


WRONG!


What do you mean? NGC will not cross it. They only accept PCGS coins for cross. If you send it to NGC in the slab? They crack it out and may return it in a problem slab.


Brad is absolutely right on this. Only PCGS certified coins are accepted for crossover submissions in their original holder; all others must be cracked out ahead of time or the submitter must sign a form authorizing NGC to crack the coin out BEFORE it is graded. This is the reason why I generally would not send a crossover submission to NGC. Even though I have the capability to submit coins through my ANA membership, this is the reason that I haven't joined NGC's Collector's Club to enjoy a discount on submissions (most of the coins I submit would be crossover certified coins from non-PCGS TPGs).


I would let them release the crackin!
I'm that confident............or stupid that I would not want it back in the same holder!

Ray

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#5565018 - 03/31/12 02:44 AM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: Raybo55]
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 Originally Posted By: Raybo55

Are my images that good or that bad?
Ray


Without seeing this coin in hand, it is difficult to tell.
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#5565042 - 03/31/12 03:27 AM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: coinman_23885]
Raybo55 Offline
Talkative?


Registered: 03/15/07
Posts: 607
 Originally Posted By: coinman_23885
 Originally Posted By: Raybo55

Are my images that good or that bad?
Ray


Without seeing this coin in hand, it is difficult to tell.



I know!


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#5565121 - 03/31/12 07:25 AM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: Raybo55]
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At this point, I feel I should interject something of little importance in the midst of this very educational Q&A.

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Please don't be offended, Ray, but you've asked for opinions and some of the people haven't agreed with you, but that is no reason to get irritated by their comments.

Just my 1-1/2 cents worth.

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#5565567 - 03/31/12 12:14 PM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: Raybo55]
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Cross to whom?

Based on the images as depicted, it will not cross to PCGS or NGC at that grade. It is likely to be net-graded to EF-45, or possibly 50 on a loose and happy day.
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#5565688 - 03/31/12 01:39 PM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: James_EarlyUS]
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Here is why I think it may be cleaned

yellow lines are visible lines in picture
- I am not sure if they are die clash, small nick, scratch, harder gouge from cleaning

light brown 3 circled areas are lighter than rest of coin
- frequently when lighter area is just in fiels, coin has been scrubbed/cleaned years ago
- toning usually does not just stop after lettering on periphery


I still do not know if old cleaning or not, but would not be surprised if came back in details slab for cleaning


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#5569160 - 04/02/12 02:59 AM Re: Think it will cross? [Re: e1cnr]
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I will play odd man out and say it crosses at 53
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