#5539112 - 03/20/1208:31 AMRe: Official "Prometheus" Thread
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I wonder if this will ignore Cameron's Queen Alien? The original movie had those deleted scenes of Dallas and Brett being found by Ripley while being transformed into eggs. I also remember seing an old Giger drawing showing this transformation.
I hope not, because the queen is such an important of the mythos as know and love it.
Sorry, never liked the Queen. Turned the whole concept into 'a bug hunt'. It really took some intelligence away from the Aliens in making them basically worker ants/bees with a hive mentality. Bringing back what looks like a bio-weapon (not saying that it is!) makes much more sense.
The aliens can still be 'bugs' as you put it, while still being the focus of bio-weapon research and development, which is exactly what they were in ALIENS. Joe Bloe was sent to the terra-forming colony to bring back the bugs so they could be used by the bio-weapon division. Even the comic books and novels focused on the Queen, but if I recall correctly, certain humans revered the queen as some sort of divine or spiritual entity.
I meant the Aliens 'original' purpose, not why the company wants them. The feeling I get looking at the trailer, and it's only a feeling mind you, is that Ridley Scott looks to be going down that path.
I remember discussing this years ago on the old Aliens newsgroup. There was never really a consensus of what the Alien was created for.
I've got to ask then, when and what was the first stated purpose/origin of the aliens in the movies, which has to be considered canon over books or anything else? I mean, if I recall correctly, there is nothing about the alien in the original movie. It's been a while since I've last watched it, so I might have forgotten something. My recollection is that they (it) are (is) a complete mystery, and only in ALIENS do we learn something about them and WEYLAND-YUTANI's scheming and interest in them in regards to being used as a bio-weapon.
I'm not arguing with you, but I am trying to clarify my knowledge of the aliens history. So, I'm asking what is your reference for "the Aliens 'original' purpose"? Like I said, I don't recall any original purpose being even suggested until they introduced the queen in ALIENS. Please correct me if I am wrong, because any excuse to re-watch ALIEN would be welcomed!
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I wonder if this will ignore Cameron's Queen Alien? The original movie had those deleted scenes of Dallas and Brett being found by Ripley while being transformed into eggs. I also remember seing an old Giger drawing showing this transformation.
I hope not, because the queen is such an important of the mythos as know and love it.
Sorry, never liked the Queen. Turned the whole concept into 'a bug hunt'. It really took some intelligence away from the Aliens in making them basically worker ants/bees with a hive mentality. Bringing back what looks like a bio-weapon (not saying that it is!) makes much more sense.
The aliens can still be 'bugs' as you put it, while still being the focus of bio-weapon research and development, which is exactly what they were in ALIENS. Joe Bloe was sent to the terra-forming colony to bring back the bugs so they could be used by the bio-weapon division. Even the comic books and novels focused on the Queen, but if I recall correctly, certain humans revered the queen as some sort of divine or spiritual entity.
I meant the Aliens 'original' purpose, not why the company wants them. The feeling I get looking at the trailer, and it's only a feeling mind you, is that Ridley Scott looks to be going down that path.
I remember discussing this years ago on the old Aliens newsgroup. There was never really a consensus of what the Alien was created for.
I've got to ask then, when and what was the first stated purpose/origin of the aliens in the movies, which has to be considered canon over books or anything else? I mean, if I recall correctly, there is nothing about the alien in the original movie. It's been a while since I've last watched it, so I might have forgotten something. My recollection is that they (it) are (is) a complete mystery, and only in ALIENS do we learn something about them and WEYLAND-YUTANI's scheming and interest in them in regards to being used as a bio-weapon.
I'm not arguing with you, but I am trying to clarify my knowledge of the aliens history. So, I'm asking what is your reference for "the Aliens 'original' purpose"? Like I said, I don't recall any original purpose being even suggested until they introduced the queen in ALIENS. Please correct me if I am wrong, because any excuse to re-watch ALIEN would be welcomed!
The crew finds out from Ashe (after the confrontation with him), that the company sent them to investigate the "warning signal" as a means to bring back the lifeform. I can't recall if it's mentioned that they are trying to use the alien as a bio-weapon at that point.
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#5539134 - 03/20/1208:46 AMRe: Official "Prometheus" Thread
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Originally Posted By: voorhees
Originally Posted By: HeyMoe
Originally Posted By: voorhees
Originally Posted By: HeyMoe
I wonder if this will ignore Cameron's Queen Alien? The original movie had those deleted scenes of Dallas and Brett being found by Ripley while being transformed into eggs. I also remember seing an old Giger drawing showing this transformation.
I hope not, because the queen is such an important of the mythos as know and love it.
Sorry, never liked the Queen. Turned the whole concept into 'a bug hunt'. It really took some intelligence away from the Aliens in making them basically worker ants/bees with a hive mentality. Bringing back what looks like a bio-weapon (not saying that it is!) makes much more sense.
The aliens can still be 'bugs' as you put it, while still being the focus of bio-weapon research and development, which is exactly what they were in ALIENS. Joe Bloe was sent to the terra-forming colony to bring back the bugs so they could be used by the bio-weapon division. Even the comic books and novels focused on the Queen, but if I recall correctly, certain humans revered the queen as some sort of divine or spiritual entity.
I meant the Aliens 'original' purpose, not why the company wants them. The feeling I get looking at the trailer, and it's only a feeling mind you, is that Ridley Scott looks to be going down that path.
I remember discussing this years ago on the old Aliens newsgroup. There was never really a consensus of what the Alien was created for.
My guess would be the Space Jockeys created them as bio-weapons
Ah, well that is nothing more than pure conjecture and cannot be counted upon as canonical fact, albeit solid speculation. Whether they created the aliens or not, it is clear that they were victimized by the aliens. I'm thinking that the antagonist of PROMETHEUS, whether it be the space jockey race or another intelligent race, has been dabbling with evolutionary progress across the galaxy, much like the CELESTIALS from MARVEL, which would be the analogy with PROMETHEUS giving mortals the gift of fire. Fire allowed us to evolve much faster tech-wise, but playing with fire results in us (and them) getting burnt by it...
And the aliens do not need to have been created by this race in order for them to have used the aliens as bio-weapons, if that is the case, which I doubt. Bio-weapons, and weapons in general, is a much more human goal or interest, than that of an advanced race. It's a also a rather dull premise for a sci-fi movie for this race to have used the aliens as bio-weapons IMHO. I'm hoping that the aliens are just some sort of tool used to modify evolution, or simply used to eradicate indigenous species so that they can conduct their experiments. And if the eradication theory is correct, then it only makes them bio-weapons if they were created or modified by the antagonists.
I also have a hunch that they're going to play on a divine angle too, whether it be the aliens and/or the antagonists, because it's clear that the ruins in the movie were places of worship. I hope they play off of the MAYAN/AZTEC myths and legends. Heck, perhaps the aliens were offered as gifts to the antagonist race on one planet... Those cylinders look like they are laid out in some sort of ceremonious fashion in front of the face idol. It's clear that it's somehow related to the layout of the alien egg sacks.....
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#5539138 - 03/20/1208:48 AMRe: Official "Prometheus" Thread
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Originally Posted By: chrisco37
Originally Posted By: voorhees
Originally Posted By: HeyMoe
Originally Posted By: voorhees
Originally Posted By: HeyMoe
Originally Posted By: voorhees
Originally Posted By: HeyMoe
I wonder if this will ignore Cameron's Queen Alien? The original movie had those deleted scenes of Dallas and Brett being found by Ripley while being transformed into eggs. I also remember seing an old Giger drawing showing this transformation.
I hope not, because the queen is such an important of the mythos as know and love it.
Sorry, never liked the Queen. Turned the whole concept into 'a bug hunt'. It really took some intelligence away from the Aliens in making them basically worker ants/bees with a hive mentality. Bringing back what looks like a bio-weapon (not saying that it is!) makes much more sense.
The aliens can still be 'bugs' as you put it, while still being the focus of bio-weapon research and development, which is exactly what they were in ALIENS. Joe Bloe was sent to the terra-forming colony to bring back the bugs so they could be used by the bio-weapon division. Even the comic books and novels focused on the Queen, but if I recall correctly, certain humans revered the queen as some sort of divine or spiritual entity.
I meant the Aliens 'original' purpose, not why the company wants them. The feeling I get looking at the trailer, and it's only a feeling mind you, is that Ridley Scott looks to be going down that path.
I remember discussing this years ago on the old Aliens newsgroup. There was never really a consensus of what the Alien was created for.
I've got to ask then, when and what was the first stated purpose/origin of the aliens in the movies, which has to be considered canon over books or anything else? I mean, if I recall correctly, there is nothing about the alien in the original movie. It's been a while since I've last watched it, so I might have forgotten something. My recollection is that they (it) are (is) a complete mystery, and only in ALIENS do we learn something about them and WEYLAND-YUTANI's scheming and interest in them in regards to being used as a bio-weapon.
I'm not arguing with you, but I am trying to clarify my knowledge of the aliens history. So, I'm asking what is your reference for "the Aliens 'original' purpose"? Like I said, I don't recall any original purpose being even suggested until they introduced the queen in ALIENS. Please correct me if I am wrong, because any excuse to re-watch ALIEN would be welcomed!
The crew finds out from Ashe (after the confrontation with him), that the company sent them to investigate the "warning signal" as a means to bring back the lifeform. I can't recall if it's mentioned that they are trying to use the alien as a bio-weapon at that point.
I do recall that, because isn't that why RIPLEY goes bananas and spills his insides? But, there is no reason given for why they want to bring it back if recall correctly.
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#5539143 - 03/20/1208:52 AMRe: Official "Prometheus" Thread
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In the end, both parties can be happy. Assuming they were created as bio-weapons, it is quite safe to assume that nature took its course and a queen evolved from them, thus allowing them to reproduce naturally.
But I still hope they don't go the route of bio-weapon origin, because it becomes redundant.
Alien race creates ALIEN bio-weapon creatures. Humans discover ALIEN bio-weapon creatures, and then want to create/modify new ALIEN bio-weapon creatures...
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The second Prometheus viral video, after the TED talk, has been released via the Weyland Industries site. It’s a promo for the David robot, as played in the film by Michael Fassbender.
