copper toning---In this particular case----a 1921D coin----we are dealing with the year that most folks understand to be the MOST COUNTERFEITED of all the Walker coins. In most circumstances, I am a collector who believes in sharing information. Those folks who know me here on this forum know this to be a fact.
But, in this case, IMHO, it is better that the information not be made public. I guess one could say that I am being selfish in this matter. And, maybe they would be correct. But, I don't want to put it out there for the counterfeiter to know. Then he could correct his product. As it stands now, I know more than he does. And, I'd like to keep it that way. Bob [supertooth]
Supertooth- So just to clarify you are 100% positive this is a counterfeit? I am going to take the coin and have it looked at again, if your right then I guess I will have to start with getting a refund. Any further info would be greatly appreciated.
I guess that the best answer to your statement would be this comment from me:
I wouldn't buy this coin as a 21D even if the price was just bullion value of silver. But, you need to be sure in your own mind. Therefore, you need an expert opinion other than just mine. It would be nice if you could send it to either NGC or PCGS so that their graders could see it. Naturally, this takes time and I don't know as that you would have this much time allowed---before you could send the coin back to get a return.
I do encourage you to make yourself certain. And, the only way to do that is to get to someone else who knows the Walker series. Mostly, that would be the third party grading service folks. Trouble is that, if I am correct, they will also verify this fact----but will NOT tell you the why either. They will just NOT certify the coin. In the meantime, you could be out your purchase price---as the seller might refuse to accept a return because toooo much time has elapsed since your purchase.
Maybe you could come to an agreement with the seller to allow you the time to send it to either NGC or PCGS?? But that would be a big risk on your part IMHO. To risk almost 5K is quite the chance IMHO. Remember this----If I am correct, this coin is VIRTUALLY WORTHLESS----except as a conversation piece. Naturally, as in ALL coin events----THE CHOICE IS YOURS. As I said, good luck. Bob [supertooth]
I might add just the following statement. If this coin was sent to either NGC or to PCGS, and it came back in a NO PROBLEM slab----I'd be the most shocked Walker collector that you could ever imagine. There's always a chance that I could be wrong but I wouldn't buy this piece in any event. Bob [supertooth]
Supertooth-Thank you for your knowledge. If the coin comes back from PCGS as not genuine I can return it as the purchase is covered by EBay buyer protection. And their is no time limit on that, the coin was listed by a trusted seller and stated as guaranteed genuine. So to further answer my question you are NOT 100% certain the coin is counterfeit.
Supertooth-Thank you for your knowledge. If the coin comes back from PCGS as not genuine I can return it as the purchase is covered by EBay buyer protection. And their is no time limit on that, the coin was listed by a trusted seller and stated as guaranteed genuine. So to further answer my question you are NOT 100% certain the coin is counterfeit.
I'm 100% sure that the coin is not genuine. With this said, if you decide to submit it, you need to submit the coin as soon as it reaches you. I also recommend that you elect the Express service either here ($60 + shipping both ways) or at PCGS ($50 + shipping both ways) to guarantee that you have enough time to file a PayPal/eBay claim. It is my understanding that you have 30 days to file such a claim, but you should verify this for yourself. Good luck.
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darrincraig----- Let me first say that I've always tried to help ALL the folks here. My whole purpose was always to try and help to educate. My registry sets were formed with that purpose in mind. I entered this post----because I didn't like the coin----and because I "SIMPLY HATE" to see folks throw their money away.
This seller may or may not know all there is to know about this 1921D coin. I'm only saying that the coin needs to go to either NGC or PCGS. At that point, you will understand better WHY we do not like the piece.
Now, as to the comment about 100% sure. I don't think that pictures EVER tell the whole story. Most times, on these chat boards, I encourage guys and gals to be CAREFUL when they judge a coin JUST BY PICTURES.
So, I'll just say that I'm 99.999999 to infinity sure. And, to follow that up. I'd be absolutely shocked if it came back as being OK as I said before. Naturally, this is only MY OPINION----everybody is entitled to a subjective opinion. Like coinman says----send it in to PCGS quick and see what happens. Good luck. Bob [supertooth]
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I avoided this thread because it seemed to have a weird "feel" to it. Without getting dragged into any controversy, I'll just state that the instant I saw the images, I thought the coin was either a fake or altered.
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