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#5505751 - 03/07/12 10:00 PM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: genrlzod]
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#5506225 - 03/08/12 12:03 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: Bronzed Jbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Bronzed Jbone
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The best player in the past 30 years will have that effect.


Who was better 31 years ago?


I'm 37 and started watching baseball around 6-7 years old. I find it difficult to make comparisons to players I didn't personally see play.
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#5506526 - 03/08/12 07:54 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: genrlzod]
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 Originally Posted By: genrlzod
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 Originally Posted By: genrlzod
 Originally Posted By: Bronzed Jbone
 Originally Posted By: NamesJay


The best player in the past 30 years will have that effect.


Who was better 31 years ago?


Mike Schmidt.

My favorite player ever. Ive got a pretty nice run of his cards too.
I think overall Schmidt was a better player. Offensively I think Pujols is better.

On a side note, me and my assistant coach were talking the other day. And the I said something like, well, 30 years ago blah blah blah. I was thinking back to the 60's. 30 years ago was 1982
Its funny how that happens.



I not quite to the point where 30 years ago is the 60s (I'm only 39) but I do work with a lot of people in their late 20s and early 30s so I do have a bit of a disconnect at times. When people don't know what a mimeograph machine is you know you are getting old.

As for Schmidt I agree with you, Pujols is a better hitter just look at his average, but Schmidt was great at defense, and 10 golden gloves proves that.

Pujols is no slouch defensively; he's won gold gloves too. Sure, Schmidt played a defensively more demanding position. But to say the gap in his favor when comparing the two defensively is equal to or greater than the gap to his detriment when comparing them offensively is unfair to Pujols.

Pujols' career batting average is 60 points higher than Schmidt's. His career OPS is 100 points higher. In the next couple of years, Pujols will obliterate all of Schmidt's career totals in the big offensive statistical categories. And when's he's done that, he'll still only be 35.

Look, I love Schmidt and think he's the greatest third-baseman of all time. But simply put, Albert Pujols is the best overall baseball player since the golden age of Mantle, Aaron, and Mays in their primes...
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#5506530 - 03/08/12 07:56 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: Ariamus]
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...But simply put, Albert Pujols is the best overall baseball player since the golden age of Mantle, Aaron, and Mays in their primes...

BTW, Junior Griffey eclipses Schmidt as well.
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#5506573 - 03/08/12 08:38 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: shirohniichan]
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I am going to be selling off a few bb cards for a nephew of mine. He is having some pretty major health issues. His wife brougt some by yesterday and is going to be bringing some others by in the next few weeks. I will try to post them on here as I get them. I know hardly anything about bb cards as I am more into coins.
Just thought I would let you all know so you can add this thread. I will try and get a few scanned later today if I have time. Ok Thanks Jim

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#5506588 - 03/08/12 08:49 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: J3_Dog]
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I am going to be selling off a few bb cards for a nephew of mine. He is having some pretty major health issues. His wife brougt some by yesterday and is going to be bringing some others by in the next few weeks. I will try to post them on here as I get them. I know hardly anything about bb cards as I am more into coins.
Just thought I would let you all know so you can add this thread. I will try and get a few scanned later today if I have time. Ok Thanks Jim


You can't try to sell them in this thread.
There is a whole forum for selling of comic books. I don't know about sports cards.
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#5506682 - 03/08/12 09:53 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: Ariamus]
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 Originally Posted By: Ariamus
Pujols is no slouch defensively; he's won gold gloves too. Sure, Schmidt played a defensively more demanding position. But to say the gap in his favor when comparing the two defensively is equal to or greater than the gap to his detriment when comparing them offensively is unfair to Pujols.

There`s a world of difference between 1B and 3B. Pujols (or any first baseman) would look absolutely hapless at 3B.

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Pujols' career batting average is 60 points higher than Schmidt's. His career OPS is 100 points higher. In the next couple of years, Pujols will obliterate all of Schmidt's career totals in the big offensive statistical categories. And when's he's done that, he'll still only be 35.

Different eras. Schmidt played in a much more challenging era for hitters--cavernous ballparks, and before expansion diluted pitching to comic levels and of course no juice. Think about the fact that no one hit 50 HRs in a season between George Foster and Cecil Fielder, and 100 RBIs was a real achievement.

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Look, I love Schmidt and think he's the greatest third-baseman of all time. But simply put, Albert Pujols is the best overall baseball player since the golden age of Mantle, Aaron, and Mays in their primes...

I think Pujols is great too and the best player of his generation, but no way would he have put up the same kinds of numbers if he played back then.

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#5506943 - 03/08/12 11:27 AM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: tth2]
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Between Willie Mays in 1965 and Cecil Fielder in 1991(?) there was only the one 50 homerun season. The League Leader many years didn't crack forty, and Graig Nettles lead the AL one season with a whopping 32.
I believeThurmon Munson was the only player in a generation to hit .300 and drive in 100 runs three years in a row.
You can't compare stats between the 70s and the juice era.
What you can compare is how a player ranked amongst his peers in any particular era. Pujols certainly holds up well in those comparisons.
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#5507105 - 03/08/12 12:27 PM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: tth2]
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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Ariamus
Pujols is no slouch defensively; he's won gold gloves too. Sure, Schmidt played a defensively more demanding position. But to say the gap in his favor when comparing the two defensively is equal to or greater than the gap to his detriment when comparing them offensively is unfair to Pujols.

There`s a world of difference between 1B and 3B. Pujols (or any first baseman) would look absolutely hapless at 3B.


We will find out this year in Detroit, with Cabrerra moving from 1st to 3rd to make room for Fielder. \(thumbs u
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#5507115 - 03/08/12 12:29 PM Re: The Official 2012 MLB Thread [Re: drice6900]
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Was Cabrerra any good at First Base? I didn't see enough Tigers games to judge.
Wasn't he supposed to play third base when they first got him? I seem to recall Inge being pissed he lost his starting position.
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