This does not make any sense: OGH refers to the Old Green Holders that PCGS used to use. ANACS used small white holders.
While the term old green holder is often used in reference to older PCGS slabs, I don't think PCGS has a monopoly on the term. He is referring to the old small holders with watermark/background image containing "ANACS" in green. I think his terminology is acceptable.
P.S. Older PCGS slabs weren't green either; it was their label. Your comment about the OGH description being inaccurate because the old small ANACS holders are white (or at least their plastic is), confuses me.
Yes, the green refers to the label on the PCGS slabs. Yes, the white refers to the plastic on the ANACS slabs. So what? PCGS slabs are OGH, and only PCGS slabs. Using the term to describe an old NGC or ANACS holder makes no sense, and shows a lack of numismatic knowledge. Old ANACS slabs are refered to as "small white holders". Old NGC slabs are "fatties," "soap bars," "no line holders" or something else similarly descriptive. If I sold something described as an OGH and shipped an ANACS slab, it would be returned, nasty negative feedback left, and nobody would be happy - OGH means something very specific.
Saying you can use OGH to describe any other holder is like saying you can use "Big Mac" to describe the "Whopper." Just doesn't make sense.
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#5466301 - 02/21/1207:54 PMRe: Grading class is in session. Give this one a shot.
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1940 Walker in an OGH ANACS slab.
This does not make any sense: OGH refers to the Old Green Holders that PCGS used to use. ANACS used small white holders.
While the term old green holder is often used in reference to older PCGS slabs, I don't think PCGS has a monopoly on the term. He is referring to the old small holders with watermark/background image containing "ANACS" in green. I think his terminology is acceptable.
P.S. Older PCGS slabs weren't green either; it was their label. Your comment about the OGH description being inaccurate because the old small ANACS holders are white (or at least their plastic is), confuses me.
Yes, the green refers to the label on the PCGS slabs. Yes, the white refers to the plastic on the ANACS slabs. So what? PCGS slabs are OGH, and only PCGS slabs. Using the term to describe an old NGC or ANACS holder makes no sense, and shows a lack of numismatic knowledge. Old ANACS slabs are refered to as "small white holders". Old NGC slabs are "fatties," "soap bars," "no line holders" or something else similarly descriptive. If I sold something described as an OGH and shipped an ANACS slab, it would be returned, nasty negative feedback left, and nobody would be happy - OGH means something very specific.
Saying you can use OGH to describe any other holder is like saying you can use "Big Mac" to describe the "Whopper." Just doesn't make sense.
While I don't wish to engage in a lengthy dialogue on nomenclature, there is a large difference between interchanging official brand names such as "Whopper" and "Big Mac" to this situation. His terminology is clear and it is obvious to anyone who collects certified coins (including yourself) that he is referring to the old small white ANACS holders with the green watermark. That was my point to you. Insofar as his description is accurate and it is clear what he is referring to, I see no problem with his terminology. After all, this is precisely how PCGS OGHs acquired their nicknames, and his coinage or new application of the phrase to the ANACS holders is justifiable. Moreover, it is noteworthy that he described it as an "ANACS OGH" not simply "OGH" so even if this were in a hypothetical sale, there would be no reason for negative feedback or a return. Again, it is inherently clear to everyone what he is referencing.
Edited by coinman_23885 (02/21/1207:57 PM)
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Again, I also do not want to engage in a lengthy debate either. However, Coinman, I will just say - you are wrong. He is not being clear at all, using confusing terminology, and absolutely switching up brands. OGH refers exclusively to PCGS, ANACS is completely different. I didn't realize this would be a point of contention, and there is no other way around it. I meant only to offer a simple correction to the OP, I didn't realize that it would be such a big deal.
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#5466497 - 02/21/1209:10 PMRe: Grading class is in session. Give this one a shot.
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So, how do you distinguish between the old small white ANACS holders with the blue watermark versus the old small white ANACS holder with the green labels? What nomenclature do you use to distinguish between these other than the thing that is immediately noticeable between both - the color of their watermarks on the label? There is often a need to distinguish between these generations as the standards have changed (even though both are often regarded as being more conservative than the current ANACS). Disclaimer: I am asking this as a legitimate question, not to be sarcastic.
To the OP, what did the coin actually grade?
Edited by coinman_23885 (02/21/1209:12 PM)
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Here is the slab it currently resides in. Sorry about the confusion created by the OGH/ANACS reference. That's what I've always called these but that might have been mis-information.
In any event, I think the coin is a MS 64+ by today's standards but it is what it is.
So, how do you distinguish between the old small white ANACS holders with the blue watermark versus the old small white ANACS holder with the green labels? What nomenclature do you use to distinguish between these other than the thing that is immediately noticeable between both - the color of their watermarks on the label? There is often a need to distinguish between these generations as the standards have changed (even though both are often regarded as being more conservative than the current ANACS). Disclaimer: I am asking this as a legitimate question, not to be sarcastic.
I would be specific - small white holder with green watermark. There isn't really any slang abbreviation for them that I am aware of. You can also differentiate them by the type of serial number they have. As I mentioned earlier, OGH specifically references the older PCGS slabs - never the ANACS slab. The ideal way to be specific about them would be to reference them by slab generation number, aka Anacs 1 or Anacs 2 - similar to the NGC 2 or NGC 2.1. The slab generation catalogue was published by Conder101, and is the authoritative reference on the history of slabs.
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So, how do you distinguish between the old small white ANACS holders with the blue watermark versus the old small white ANACS holder with the green labels? What nomenclature do you use to distinguish between these other than the thing that is immediately noticeable between both - the color of their watermarks on the label? There is often a need to distinguish between these generations as the standards have changed (even though both are often regarded as being more conservative than the current ANACS). Disclaimer: I am asking this as a legitimate question, not to be sarcastic.
There isn't really any slang abbreviation for them that I am aware of.
There is now. ANACAS OGH. About to go mainstream. Geez!
#5466769 - 02/21/1210:40 PMRe: Grading class is in session. Give this one a shot.
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Originally Posted By: physics-fan3.14
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So, how do you distinguish between the old small white ANACS holders with the blue watermark versus the old small white ANACS holder with the green labels? What nomenclature do you use to distinguish between these other than the thing that is immediately noticeable between both - the color of their watermarks on the label? There is often a need to distinguish between these generations as the standards have changed (even though both are often regarded as being more conservative than the current ANACS). Disclaimer: I am asking this as a legitimate question, not to be sarcastic.
There isn't really any slang abbreviation for them that I am aware of.
There is now. ANACAS OGH. About to go mainstream. Geez!
I wasn't trying to start a debate. I have only used the term OGH to refer to PCGS old green holders; however, I think the neologism could catch on.
Remember, you heard it here first!
Edited by coinman_23885 (02/22/1201:43 AM)
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His terminology is clear and it is obvious to anyone who collects certified coins (including yourself) that he is referring to the old small white ANACS holders with the green watermark. That was my point to you. Insofar as his description is accurate and it is clear what he is referring to, I see no problem with his terminology. After all, this is precisely how PCGS OGHs acquired their nicknames, and his coinage or new application of the phrase to the ANACS holders is justifiable. 
Moreover, it is noteworthy that he described it as an "ANACS OGH" not simply "OGH" so even if this were in a hypothetical sale, there would be no reason for negative feedback or a return. Again, it is inherently clear to everyone what he is referencing.
