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#5399631 - 01/25/12 03:21 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: BROADSTRUCK]
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Bid more or post more... tough one...


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Did anyone bid or win any HTT's at the Stacks Auction today?
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#5400386 - 01/25/12 08:55 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: coinsarefun]
Hard Times Offline
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nah I am broke from FUN - did you win any?

Best, HT
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#5400399 - 01/25/12 08:59 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Hard Times]
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Bid more or post more... tough one...


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 Originally Posted By: Hard Times
nah I am broke from FUN - did you win any?

Best, HT








Nope, just watching it, some went cheap, some
sold high
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#5418768 - 02/02/12 06:08 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: coinsarefun]
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My HT-8 is now back from NGC where it went for a designation review and reholdering. The old holder was in bad shape, and the token was misplaced at a high angle to the face of the slab. Also, it was mis-attributed as HT-7. Now it is in a nice pronged holder with the correct attribution - HT-8. There are two of these in NGC holders, this one at AU58 and another at MS62. Since removal of my token to the HT-7 census there are now 3 of these at NGC and one 7a in F, VF, AU53, and AU58 for the four. These are very rare, Rulau gives it an R6 (13-30), R5 (31-75) for HT-7, and R8 (2-3) for HT-7a. The recent book on the Robert Schuman collection (The True Hard Times Tokens, M&G Publications, 2010) gives the HT-8 (Low 5b) as an R5 (hard to see this where are they all?). His MS example is stunning, raw and BROADSTRUCK, if you can believe it

These can be had for a very good value if one can find them. I have seen a few that are seriously scudzy, and not too many 'problem free' if such a term can be used for these. You can read about the pedigree of this example by surfing this thread and seeing what Broadstruck found about it, and you can see my earlier images in the old beat up HT-7 holder.

On another note, which I continue to find amazing, there are a total of 1860 HTT's in the NGC census that is for all gradeable HTT's in their slabs and of course includes resubmissions. Most in MS grades are a few $100 in cost, the rare ones like this one in AU in the upper $100s.

Let's compare this to (not including PCGS coins):

1916-D dime - 2865, 58 in AU58, price in AU58 = $11500
1909-S VDB cent - 6472, 366 in AU58, price in AU58 = $1640
1924-S Buffalo Nickel - 817, 24 in AU58, price in AU58 = $1770

So if you want value and rarity combined with interesting history, well, that is why I collect these.

Best, HT




Edited by Hard Times (02/05/12 08:43 AM)
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#5430288 - 02/07/12 08:38 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Hard Times]
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This token was minted in 1900 but resembles HTT even with a date of 1837 on the obverse. Listed by Rulau in his Appendix I of his book. The reverse is the Time is Money HTT remake. 10,000 of this M19 token was struck, how many exist today? Only a few have made it into NGC holders.

This has to be one of the prettiest still extant. It has a booming luster under the light, with nice cartwheels. It is hard to capture the vibrancy of the luster and the right red-violet-blue toning, especially on the obverse.

The token was made for Peacock Jewelers in Chicago. They still exist today and in fact they are having a Valentine's sale right now:

http://www.cdpeacock.com/




Edited by Hard Times (02/08/12 08:19 AM)
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#5436221 - 02/10/12 12:50 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Hard Times]
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Nice pics HT \(thumbs u

1837 New York Centre Market HT-239 / Low 110


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#5458012 - 02/18/12 08:36 AM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Hard Times]
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First Time posting. I have spent considerable time since finding this forum a few weeks ago admiring the images and reading the informative comments. Thanks to all who have participated. I'll post some images when I figure out how to.

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#5458945 - 02/18/12 05:44 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Mainecents]
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Welcome to the forum Maincents, please post more and we look forward to your images of HTT'S!

Best, HT
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#5475715 - 02/25/12 10:41 AM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: Hard Times]
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1825 Peale's Museum, HT-303/ Low-269 / Miller NY-632, R-5/6.



The finest known specimen of this token variety which is ex: Capt. Andrew Zabriskie who’s incredible coin rarities where sold by Henry Chapman in 1909, however his family held his tokens and medals after his death in 1916 until the 1999 Sotheby’s sale at his mansion overlooking the Hudson river. This is the current Russell Rulau Plate Coin in his Standard Catalogue of Hard Times Tokens for the Copper variety which replaced the lower grade ex: John L. Roper / Herbert Oechsner specimen in Russel's earlier works. This is only one of two early die stage examples I've seen struck with a non almost fully cracked obverse die, the other being the lower grade ex: Lionel Ruddick. Struck on a large thick 34.6 mm copper planchet the date on the obverse only symbolizes the date of establishment, as this token was used during the Hard Times Era as an entrance admittance pass which sold for $10.00 seasonally and was not something set aside to be preserved for future generations.

Some History:

Rubens Peale ran his museum in the Parthenon Building across from the City Hall from 1825 until he sold out to P.T. Barnum in 1843. Peale's Museum was located at 252 Broadway, close to City Hall in Manhattan. The Museum featured an Egyptian mummy and many other historical artifacts to entertain the locals and tourists. These large entrance tokens were occasionally taken home by souvenir hunters, but most were turned in for the price of admission. Rubens Peale came from an important family, his father was the famous painter Charles Wilson Peale, and his brother Franklin Peale who became the Chief Coiner at the Philadelphia Mint

Andrew C. Zabriskie was born in New York City in 1853 to one of the largest real estate owning families in that city. After graduating from Columbia University, Zabriskie wold help manage the family's real estate business. He was a member of the New York National Guard from 1873 through 1897, and eventually rose to the rank of Captain. Later in life he would be known as "Captain Zabriskie" due to this service. A member of the ANS for forty-two years, Zabriskie first joined the ANS in 1874 and became a life member in 1894. He served initially as Third Vice-President from 1880-83 and then as First Vice-President from 1884-96 before finally being elected President of the ANS in 1896. He remained as President until his resignation in December 1904.In 1908, when the Society's constitution was amended to create the office of Honorary President, Zabriskie, along with Daniel Parish, Jr., was elected Honorary President for Life. Zabriskie's tenure as president was marked with a financial crisis which led Zabriskie to advocate for the merger of the ANS with the New-York Historical Society. When that proposal was rejected by the membership of the ANS, Zabriskie resigned from the presidency. He was succeeded by Archer M. Huntington. During his career, Zabriskie amassed a large collection, the most significant of which were Lincoln medals and Polish coins and medals. In 1873 he wrote A Descriptive Catalogue of the Political and Memorial Medals Struck in Honor of Abraham Lincoln which has since become the basis for those collecting Lincoln pieces. Zabriskie died on September 16, 1916.

I was also very fortunate as I was able to secure a matching Peale's Museum Admittance Ticket signed by Rubens Peale himself, which might actually be scarcer then the token itself.


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Grades XF40 to MS67 RD, RB, BN.

Kindly PM images... Thanks in advance!

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#5476205 - 02/25/12 02:58 PM Re: Hard Times Tokens - Post Your Images [Re: BROADSTRUCK]
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HTT & CWT are my kryptonite. Especially when they're HQ
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