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#5300362 - 12/13/11 11:42 AM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: Koababa]
mister_not_so_nice Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Koababa
I do have one question though (which might be a really dumb one). Although I have only been reading comics for ~8 years, there are couple pages that I instantly fell in love with, but had no idea at the time that it is possible to own the original art of it. If I were to look for a specific page, or even just a page in a certain issue, how likely is it to find the person who owns it? Assuming that the artist is not in possession of it anymore, how would one go about searching for the page?


If the comics you have been reading for the past 8 years were current comics I'd say your chances of finding (buying may be another task unto itself) the OA are pretty good.

Now that you've decided which title/artist you'd like to collect, leave no stone unturned. Of course a CAF search always comes first.
If the specific page isn't there are other pages from the book posted?
Other artwork from the artist?
Does one collector seem to "specialize" in that title/artist? Ask that collector, politely, for some assistence. 99% are more than willing to help.
Post a WTB thread in the OA sales forum

As was said, vigilance, persistence and patience will pay off
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#5300503 - 12/13/11 12:51 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: Miraclemet]
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Registered: 01/01/07
Posts: 677
Loc: NYC Metro Area
 Originally Posted By: Miraclemet
If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck.


I know it's been a while since we've discussed the "old school" hard core collector mentality vs the newer crop of collectors but this statement highlights one of the main differences. You can find anything if you really want to. CAF and eBay and Heritage have made being a lazy collector easy. I'm lazy too and use these tools a lot. That's just what they are to me though, tools. If you really want something you have to be determined and creative in your search. Example:

I never really had what I consider a "grail". I love too many things and no one piece stood out. Still, I made it a point to try to figure out what one piece stood out in my memory the most as a kid and go after that. That was DC Comics Presents #24 (Superman/Deadman). I decided I wanted the cover. I never had comics as a kid and I remember my dad getting me this one to read on an airplane. After reading this I started reading other DC titles and got on the Perez New Teen Titans bandwagon and it was all downhill from there for my allowance.

So, I started my search and amazingly enough I couldn't find a single person that had ever seen it much less had an inkling where it might be. I spoke to the artists, the artists reps at the time, people at DC, every 70s and 80s collector I could find as well as every forum I knew of. Nothing. It took over 13 years but I finally saw a picture of the bottom right corner of the cover in the background of a picture from a German comic book convention with a Superman theme. I tracked down the show promoter, worked with him to figure out the dealer based on the position of the different tables and found the owner was a comic book dealer in Austria. Wrangled a phone number (and interpreter) and spoke to the owner. In the end he was happy with the cover and wouldn't sell it. He would however TRADE it for only ONE cover. An Ernie Chan Batman cover that once again, no one has seen since it was created. Maybe in another 13 years I'll find that and finish my trade.

Needless to say if I adopted the "If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck" mentality I never would have found it. Also, I would have never uncovered a lot of the art I currently have (including most recently my KK Sunday) and I'd pay way more than I normally do. I know many other collectors that feel the same way.
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#5300690 - 12/13/11 02:30 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: CollectingFool]
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Do people also regularly post want lists on Comicart-L? (I just recently started checking it out and have seen some for sale posts, but not want lists)

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#5301292 - 12/13/11 07:33 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: Bill C]
Pete Marino Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
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I agree, CAF and Ebay are just the beginning. Google, some research and networking will get you much farther.

I struggle to find what I'm looking for but, I'm also pretty new to all this too (only been buying art since April)

Also, most artists are on Facebook.
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#5301342 - 12/13/11 07:55 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: CollectingFool]
thehumantorch Offline


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Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 21658
Loc: Alberta Canada
 Originally Posted By: CollectingFool
 Originally Posted By: Miraclemet
If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck.


I know it's been a while since we've discussed the "old school" hard core collector mentality vs the newer crop of collectors but this statement highlights one of the main differences. You can find anything if you really want to. CAF and eBay and Heritage have made being a lazy collector easy. I'm lazy too and use these tools a lot. That's just what they are to me though, tools. If you really want something you have to be determined and creative in your search. Example:

I never really had what I consider a "grail". I love too many things and no one piece stood out. Still, I made it a point to try to figure out what one piece stood out in my memory the most as a kid and go after that. That was DC Comics Presents #24 (Superman/Deadman). I decided I wanted the cover. I never had comics as a kid and I remember my dad getting me this one to read on an airplane. After reading this I started reading other DC titles and got on the Perez New Teen Titans bandwagon and it was all downhill from there for my allowance.

So, I started my search and amazingly enough I couldn't find a single person that had ever seen it much less had an inkling where it might be. I spoke to the artists, the artists reps at the time, people at DC, every 70s and 80s collector I could find as well as every forum I knew of. Nothing. It took over 13 years but I finally saw a picture of the bottom right corner of the cover in the background of a picture from a German comic book convention with a Superman theme. I tracked down the show promoter, worked with him to figure out the dealer based on the position of the different tables and found the owner was a comic book dealer in Austria. Wrangled a phone number (and interpreter) and spoke to the owner. In the end he was happy with the cover and wouldn't sell it. He would however TRADE it for only ONE cover. An Ernie Chan Batman cover that once again, no one has seen since it was created. Maybe in another 13 years I'll find that and finish my trade.

Needless to say if I adopted the "If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck" mentality I never would have found it. Also, I would have never uncovered a lot of the art I currently have (including most recently my KK Sunday) and I'd pay way more than I normally do. I know many other collectors that feel the same way.


great story
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#5312992 - 12/18/11 02:22 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: CollectingFool]
comicartfan Offline
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Registered: 08/19/02
Posts: 6363
Loc: Derry,NH
 Originally Posted By: CollectingFool
 Originally Posted By: Miraclemet
If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck.


I know it's been a while since we've discussed the "old school" hard core collector mentality vs the newer crop of collectors but this statement highlights one of the main differences. You can find anything if you really want to. CAF and eBay and Heritage have made being a lazy collector easy. I'm lazy too and use these tools a lot. That's just what they are to me though, tools. If you really want something you have to be determined and creative in your search. Example:

I never really had what I consider a "grail". I love too many things and no one piece stood out. Still, I made it a point to try to figure out what one piece stood out in my memory the most as a kid and go after that. That was DC Comics Presents #24 (Superman/Deadman). I decided I wanted the cover. I never had comics as a kid and I remember my dad getting me this one to read on an airplane. After reading this I started reading other DC titles and got on the Perez New Teen Titans bandwagon and it was all downhill from there for my allowance.

So, I started my search and amazingly enough I couldn't find a single person that had ever seen it much less had an inkling where it might be. I spoke to the artists, the artists reps at the time, people at DC, every 70s and 80s collector I could find as well as every forum I knew of. Nothing. It took over 13 years but I finally saw a picture of the bottom right corner of the cover in the background of a picture from a German comic book convention with a Superman theme. I tracked down the show promoter, worked with him to figure out the dealer based on the position of the different tables and found the owner was a comic book dealer in Austria. Wrangled a phone number (and interpreter) and spoke to the owner. In the end he was happy with the cover and wouldn't sell it. He would however TRADE it for only ONE cover. An Ernie Chan Batman cover that once again, no one has seen since it was created. Maybe in another 13 years I'll find that and finish my trade.

Needless to say if I adopted the "If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck" mentality I never would have found it. Also, I would have never uncovered a lot of the art I currently have (including most recently my KK Sunday) and I'd pay way more than I normally do. I know many other collectors that feel the same way.


I would be dropping that dealer an email or phone call every 8 months or so....It's all about the "timing"....Jut catching him at a point where he needs/wants to sell it...

On a side note....they have comic dealers in Austria ?! .. \:o




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#5320051 - 12/21/11 02:22 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: comicartfan]
Rodey Offline
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Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 4720
Loc: Mayor of Rodneyville
Is it ok to store my OA in the Itoya portfolios or do I need to get mylars/boards from Bags Unlimited?

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#5320064 - 12/21/11 02:32 PM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: CollectingFool]
Miraclemet Offline
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Registered: 09/08/11
Posts: 8991
Loc: TinTin's backyard
 Originally Posted By: CollectingFool
 Originally Posted By: Miraclemet
If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck.


I know it's been a while since we've discussed the "old school" hard core collector mentality vs the newer crop of collectors but this statement highlights one of the main differences. You can find anything if you really want to. CAF and eBay and Heritage have made being a lazy collector easy. I'm lazy too and use these tools a lot. That's just what they are to me though, tools. If you really want something you have to be determined and creative in your search. Example:

I never really had what I consider a "grail". I love too many things and no one piece stood out. Still, I made it a point to try to figure out what one piece stood out in my memory the most as a kid and go after that. That was DC Comics Presents #24 (Superman/Deadman). I decided I wanted the cover. I never had comics as a kid and I remember my dad getting me this one to read on an airplane. After reading this I started reading other DC titles and got on the Perez New Teen Titans bandwagon and it was all downhill from there for my allowance.

So, I started my search and amazingly enough I couldn't find a single person that had ever seen it much less had an inkling where it might be. I spoke to the artists, the artists reps at the time, people at DC, every 70s and 80s collector I could find as well as every forum I knew of. Nothing. It took over 13 years but I finally saw a picture of the bottom right corner of the cover in the background of a picture from a German comic book convention with a Superman theme. I tracked down the show promoter, worked with him to figure out the dealer based on the position of the different tables and found the owner was a comic book dealer in Austria. Wrangled a phone number (and interpreter) and spoke to the owner. In the end he was happy with the cover and wouldn't sell it. He would however TRADE it for only ONE cover. An Ernie Chan Batman cover that once again, no one has seen since it was created. Maybe in another 13 years I'll find that and finish my trade.

Needless to say if I adopted the "If its not on comicartfans.com then you may be out of luck" mentality I never would have found it. Also, I would have never uncovered a lot of the art I currently have (including most recently my KK Sunday) and I'd pay way more than I normally do. I know many other collectors that feel the same way.


all good points CF, and I agree that for newer art some legwork can produce some good results, likewise if you are looking for "key" pieces (covers, important issues, key splashes/reveals) you can certainly jog peoples memories far more easily than me asking people about interior pages from GL #159 a pretty forgettable issue to everyone but a certain 12 year old in florida...

I do take your point to heart CAF is just the starting point, its the best starting point, but it is far from the only resource out there...
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#5321647 - 12/22/11 02:00 AM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: Miraclemet]
Doc Joe Offline
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Registered: 12/14/08
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With regards to dealers - on the one hand I was hoping to find a "rankings" as it were of dealers, the same as comes out every year in comics general.

I always thought it was a bit ballsy to make such a list and have someone you may/probably need to work with and then you put them dead last or so on a public forum. (but I guess there are comic dealers I won't buy from not matter what)

But maybe such a list is irrelevant with OA since you can always find another copy of that comic (unless say its a pedigree that you much have) but with OA that's the piece and that deler has it, so it's not like you have choice of who to work with.

I have purchased pieces or the main dealers but then was faced with a piece I wanted that is on another dealers site but who also lists them on eBay.

As we are emailing about a larger Group purchase I ask what the Direct payment / bank wire cost woud be for a piece. He says cost is Y but for direct payment for you it would be X. I point out that X is the price he has it listed on ebay for as a BIN and he has make an offer, which presumably you would not do if you would not take a bit less. And if someone hits theBIN you are going to loose 3% no matter what. So why not say the price for ou is X -3% at the very least.

Makes me wary of working with them when I see such nonsense. But.....they have the piece.

Also, being pretty new to this, I see it already has 4 offers which makes me think it's over priced. But....they have the piece, and when it goes that's really annoying.

I don't know if this is a general rant or there are tips one can offer in such situations.

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#5322079 - 12/22/11 11:26 AM Re: New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips? [Re: Doc Joe]
Pete Marino Offline
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Registered: 12/11/10
Posts: 1288
DJ,
I am new too, and have had similar thoughts.

For some reason, I feel like in this hobby people are more worried about what it sells for some times, than the $$ they get in their pocket.

If something is listed at 3k on ebay, after fees, even if you're a power seller you're going to be charged 11% if you're not a power seller(~9% if they are), plus another 3% of the total for paypal. which winds up being about $420, but in my experience, if you offered $2600 from the website they'll think you're crazy. And they get pinged on shipping charges on ebay too now (which is the biggest scam ever)

/rant off
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