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#5661498 - 05/08/12 08:46 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Blackburn fans misery could continue as Kean vows to "fight on" and get them promoted back to the Prem next season.

I've been reading on SkySports the negative comments from others aimed at the Blackburn fans themselves that they are to blame. What are others thoughts on this?

Its not the first time fans have demonstrated about owners, so why are Blackburn fans getting all the negative response?

I don't remember Liverpool or Utd fans getting negative comments thrown at them when they got together to speak out against the owners.
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#5661634 - 05/08/12 10:01 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
If you really need more than a month to save up the $25 to pay off your debt just say so.

Sorry, I'd forgotten about it while I was waiting for my account to fill up from my recent football pool winnings. PM me your paypal address and I'll send it straight away.


No worries Tim, I was just messing with you

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#5661649 - 05/08/12 10:06 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: goldust40
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
Poor old Blackburn - who could have seen that coming once they got their new owners.


I've got some sympathy for Steve Kean, but it was always on the cards. The fans have the right to feel cheated by the Blackburn board. Kudos to Wigan for staying up, as it turned out, quite comfortably.


If you buy a football club just for the sake of making money the thing to do is sell of the better players who earn the high wages, don't renew the contracts of other high earners, and then promote cheap alternatives from your own academy.

That's actually not a bad strategy, unless in the course of your due diligence you fail to learn about a basic principle in English football called "relegation" and strip your team so badly that they get relegated, at which point the value of your club plummets.

I'm hoping that Allardyce goes up, so we can enjoy the sight of the insufficiently_thoughtful_person Blackburn owners see their team going down while the manager they fired for no good reason comes back up.


This is where Lerner and his expert advisers have gone wrong at Villa. I think it's great to promote academy players into the first team - how may other top flight English clubs have done this on a regular basis? Not many, and clubs like Chelsea & Arsenal may as well do away with their academies - but the core of any team needs to be experienced professionals.

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#5661653 - 05/08/12 10:10 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Bane]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: Bane
Blackburn fans misery could continue as Kean vows to "fight on" and get them promoted back to the Prem next season.

I've been reading on SkySports the negative comments from others aimed at the Blackburn fans themselves that they are to blame. What are others thoughts on this?

Its not the first time fans have demonstrated about owners, so why are Blackburn fans getting all the negative response?

I don't remember Liverpool or Utd fans getting negative comments thrown at them when they got together to speak out against the owners.


I don't think you can blame fans for a team's poor performances. Ultimately it's the players and the manager that picks them who have the responsibility. In the end, regardless of results, they still get paid and will usually find another job if they are sacked or let go from the club, whereas the fans spend their money each week, travel each week, and suffer each week.

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#5661672 - 05/08/12 10:18 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Comicopolis]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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Last season Alex McLeish gets Birmingham relegated with a central defence of Roger Johnson & Scott Dann. Even with that relegation both players were lauded by numerous pundits and experts.

This season Johnson gets relegated with Wolves - maybe he turned up for training drunk too many times. Dann gets relegated with Blackburn. How many PL clubs will come in for them this summer do you reckon?


And good old Mcleish gives the Villa their worst home record in history and will probably only keep us up on goal difference. Yesterday he blamed the players and said he gave them too much leeway and that won't happen next season - three of the very same players who had been caught up in a late night brawl just days before the Spurs game. One of whom actually played in that game.

What are the odds the Big Eck will still be our manager at the start of next season?

I hear that Fabio Capello is looking for a new job in England.

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#5661721 - 05/08/12 10:37 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Comicopolis]
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"I blame it on the low quality of the newbies that are joining the boards."
--And with one swoop tth2 become the community crotchety old man. Damn kids today.

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 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
If you really need more than a month to save up the $25 to pay off your debt just say so.

Sorry, I'd forgotten about it while I was waiting for my account to fill up from my recent football pool winnings. PM me your paypal address and I'll send it straight away.


No worries Tim, I was just messing with you

But do PM me your paypal, as the money is now there!

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#5661726 - 05/08/12 10:38 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Comicopolis]
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"I blame it on the low quality of the newbies that are joining the boards."
--And with one swoop tth2 become the community crotchety old man. Damn kids today.

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 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: goldust40
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
Poor old Blackburn - who could have seen that coming once they got their new owners.


I've got some sympathy for Steve Kean, but it was always on the cards. The fans have the right to feel cheated by the Blackburn board. Kudos to Wigan for staying up, as it turned out, quite comfortably.


If you buy a football club just for the sake of making money the thing to do is sell of the better players who earn the high wages, don't renew the contracts of other high earners, and then promote cheap alternatives from your own academy.

That's actually not a bad strategy, unless in the course of your due diligence you fail to learn about a basic principle in English football called "relegation" and strip your team so badly that they get relegated, at which point the value of your club plummets.

I'm hoping that Allardyce goes up, so we can enjoy the sight of the insufficiently_thoughtful_person Blackburn owners see their team going down while the manager they fired for no good reason comes back up.


This is where Lerner and his expert advisers have gone wrong at Villa. I think it's great to promote academy players into the first team - how may other top flight English clubs have done this on a regular basis? Not many, and clubs like Chelsea & Arsenal may as well do away with their academies - but the core of any team needs to be experienced professionals.

I thought you were talking about Blackburn! I`m fairly sure Lerner understood the concept of relegation, which the Venkys guys apparently didn`t. doh\!

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#5661760 - 05/08/12 10:48 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
Comicopolis Offline

Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: tth2
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
 Originally Posted By: goldust40
 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
Poor old Blackburn - who could have seen that coming once they got their new owners.


I've got some sympathy for Steve Kean, but it was always on the cards. The fans have the right to feel cheated by the Blackburn board. Kudos to Wigan for staying up, as it turned out, quite comfortably.


If you buy a football club just for the sake of making money the thing to do is sell of the better players who earn the high wages, don't renew the contracts of other high earners, and then promote cheap alternatives from your own academy.

That's actually not a bad strategy, unless in the course of your due diligence you fail to learn about a basic principle in English football called "relegation" and strip your team so badly that they get relegated, at which point the value of your club plummets.

I'm hoping that Allardyce goes up, so we can enjoy the sight of the insufficiently_thoughtful_person Blackburn owners see their team going down while the manager they fired for no good reason comes back up.


This is where Lerner and his expert advisers have gone wrong at Villa. I think it's great to promote academy players into the first team - how may other top flight English clubs have done this on a regular basis? Not many, and clubs like Chelsea & Arsenal may as well do away with their academies - but the core of any team needs to be experienced professionals.

I thought you were talking about Blackburn! I`m fairly sure Lerner understood the concept of relegation, which the Venkys guys apparently didn`t. doh\!


I was talking about Blackburn - but the similarities with Villa now compared to Lerner's first few seasons are there to see.

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#5661789 - 05/08/12 10:59 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: Comicopolis]
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"I blame it on the low quality of the newbies that are joining the boards."
--And with one swoop tth2 become the community crotchety old man. Damn kids today.

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 Originally Posted By: Comicopolis
I was talking about Blackburn - but the similarities with Villa now compared to Lerner's first few seasons are there to see.

I would think that Villa is the most attractive club right now for some new big money buyer.

Big name, good stadium, not loaded with debt, should be relatively cheap.

Everton`s the other club that should be an attractive takeover candidate, but their balance sheet is probably not as good as Villa`s.

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#5661819 - 05/08/12 11:06 AM Re: The Official 2011-12 FIFA/UEFA/Premier League Football Discussion Thread [Re: tth2]
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Only 7000 posts in more than 7 years - that's just lazy.

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I'm still waiting for some big spenders from China to come in and take over a PL club.
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