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#4875599 - 06/17/11 02:56 PM Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary...
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....take 45 minutes and watch this National Geographic documentary.

The most recent PATTERSON FILM analysis is possibly the most compelling evidence available that there is a large Hominid inhabiting the pacific northwest.


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#4875807 - 06/17/11 04:49 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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The Patterson footage has always fasinated me.

The movements when the "creature" turns are so realistic and anatomically accurate that it's difficult to deny what you're watching.
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#4875813 - 06/17/11 04:51 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Troll King]
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#4875837 - 06/17/11 05:07 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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One of the scientist in that documentary is Jeff Meldrum. His work along with Loren Coleman and others has really helped to further the research and bring an air of credibility into the research.

A little about the Dr. :

D. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ph.D., is currently an associate professor of anatomy and anthropology at Idaho State University and an affiliate curator of vertebrate palaeontology at the Idaho Museum of Natural History.

Through his work in the field of physical anthropology and his specialization in foot mechanics, Meldrum has studied the implications for bipedal adaptation and locomotion in early hominids. He has also participated in palaeontological field projects to South America, collecting new fossil primate specimens from the Miocene of Columbia and Argentina.

Meldrum is best known for his open-minded yet scientific approach to the bigfoot phenomenon. Because he grew up in the Pacific Northwest, Meldrum was no stranger to the subject, having heard sasquatch stories from an early age. His interest in the legendary creature took a back burner as he continued his formal education and teaching until 1996, when he found and cast a series of fresh sasquatch prints in Washington and, the following year, northern California. Meldrum has since gathered and purchased collections of purported track casts as part of his research into sasquatch foot anatomy, and his lab now houses what may be the world's most extensive collection of sasquatch track casts. Meldrum is widely considered the leading expert on sasquatch footprints as well as the derived morphology and functional anatomy of the foot.

Starting in the late 1990’s, Meldrum has frequently appeared, often with J. Richard Greenwell, in documentaries discussing his insights into amateur videotapes allegedly showing the creatures known as bigfoot and Yeti, in addition to sharing his research pertaining to derived foot anatomy and locomotion. He has spoken at many sasquatch conferences and symposia, including the Willow Creek International Bigfoot Symposium in 2003 and the "Bigfoot in Texas?" museum and speaker series sponsored by the University of Texas and the Institute of Texan Culture in 2006.

Since about 2001, Meldrum has received approximately $221,025 in grants, matching funds, and equipment donations in support of his on-going research initiative called the North American Ape Project (NAAP). The NAAP has been focused primarily on fieldwork in various regions of the Pacific and Inter-Mountain West.

Since about 2006, Meldrum has had a Virtual Specimen Library project in progress with the Idaho Virtualization Laboratory at Idaho State University. The project, called "Comparative Morphology of the Hominoid Foot" seeks, in part, to create and present virtual 3D images of his collection of purported sasquatch track casts in order to make them universally accessible for analysis.

Meldrum received his B.S. in zoology specializing in vertebrate locomotion at Brigham Young University in 1982, his M.S. at BYU in 1984 and a Ph.D. in anatomical sciences, with an emphasis in biological anthropology, from State University of New York at Stony Brook in 1989. He held the position of postdoctoral visiting assistant professor at Duke University Medical Center from 1989 to 1991. Meldrum worked at Northwestern University's Department of Cell, Molecular and Structural Biology for a short while in 1993 before joining the faculty of Idaho State University where he currently teaches.
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#4876058 - 06/17/11 06:48 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876067 - 06/17/11 06:50 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Oh this is rich Deniers that believe in Bigfoot lol
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#4876068 - 06/17/11 06:54 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: drice6900]
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Oh this is rich Deniers that believe in Bigfoot lol



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#4876071 - 06/17/11 06:55 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876076 - 06/17/11 06:57 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876083 - 06/17/11 07:00 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876084 - 06/17/11 07:01 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876085 - 06/17/11 07:01 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: lookwhoitis]
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#4876089 - 06/17/11 07:02 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Beau]
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#4876092 - 06/17/11 07:03 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Beau]
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Seriously, watch the analysis, spend a little bit of time on the subject, you might be surprised. \(thumbs u
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#4876095 - 06/17/11 07:04 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876098 - 06/17/11 07:06 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876103 - 06/17/11 07:07 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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A few animals discovered in the 20th century:

1.Okapi, were thought to be discovered by the Occident in 1900. That year Sir Harry Johnston sent skins and skulls of the Okapi back in London to validate his claims. In 1901, they thought the Okapi had some kind of connection with the giraffe and the zebra, because of his stripes. Nowadays they are very rare in the wild but some of the bigger zoo’s in the world will surely have one.
2. Pygmy Hippo, a famous German animal dealer created a zoo in Hamburg. In 1909 Hagenbeck (zoo owner) sent Hans Schomburgk to Liberia to check for “a huge black pig”. Hans did spot the animal but he thought they were related to hippos and not pigs. He couldn’t catch one so no one believed him. He said they were 30feet large and had shiny black skin. 3 years later he proved them wrong when he did capture one and bring him back to Germany.

3.The Kouprey, a wild ox like animal. First scientist thought it was just a variation of the Gaur or banteng but analysis on one proved otherwise. But because of the war of Vietnam. In 1988, a bunch New York researchers saw a herd of 50 Kouprey but were unable to capture any. The kroupey is currently considered critically endangered.

4.Sao La, British biologist John MacKinnon said ” it is a cow that behaves like a goat.”. This animal lived in North Western Vietnam, where it was thought to be a forest goat. It is larger then a goat but smaller then a cow, it has razor sharp horns 30inch each. They are thought to be around 120 still alive in the wild till now.

5.Komodo Dragon, the Dragon was unknown to science and the world until a man flying a plane landed on the island of Komodo. When he returned to land he told tales of how these creatures were living dragons and would devour anything. Not many believed him until a team went and captured one.
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#4876104 - 06/17/11 07:07 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876109 - 06/17/11 07:13 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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5.Komodo Dragon, the Dragon was unknown to science and the world until a man flying a plane landed on the island of Komodo. When he returned to land he told tales of how these creatures were living dragons and would devour anything. Not many believed him until a team went and captured one.


Those kritters are relentless, simple-minded creatures. (reminds me of someone here.) They bite and wait for their venom to kill. Watched a film where a group of them killed a water buffalo over the course of a couple days. Terrible way to go for that buffalo.
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#4876115 - 06/17/11 07:14 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Here is a fun question and answer game on some more species recently discovered \(thumbs u


This fish, the coelacanth, was known to science though fossil records but was believed to have been extinct for 65 million years. Then in 1938, a living coelacanth was discovered by fishermen. In what ocean was the discovery made?


Indian. The coelacanth is found near the Comoros Islands. Fishermen still occasionally net a coelacanth (pronounced SEE-la-canth). It is a deep-sea fish and is dead by the time it reaches the surface.


In May 1992, the Vu Quang Ox became known to science. What country was it discovered in?

Vietnam. This animal is also known as the Saola.


This bird which has the scientific name 'Afropavo congensis' was discovered in the Congo in 1936. What sort of bird is it?

Peacock. The Congo Peacock lacks the spectacular tail of the Asian species.


The Dingiso and the Great-tailed Triok were both discovered on the same island during the 20th century. What island is their home?

New Guinea. The Triok is a species of possum. The Dingoso is a black-and-white tree kangaroo that was one of several new animals discovered by Dr Tim Flannery during the 1990s. There are probably more unknown species to be found in New Guinea.


This animal known by its scientific name 'Cuscomys ashaninka' was first discovered in Peru by Louise Emmons who found a specimen recently killed by a weasel. What sort of animal is 'Cuscomys ashaninka'?

Tree rat. This animal is a huge rat weighing about two pounds. It is a relative of the large (and probably extinct) rats found in Inca tombs at Machu Picchu.


This animal was discovered in Vietnam in 1990s. It is a deer and is about the size of a large dog. What it this animal's common name?

Giant muntjac. This animal is much larger than the common muntjac. Its scientific name is 'Megamuntiacus vuquangensis'.


On what island was the mammal known as the Tattersall's Sifaka discovered in 1988?

Madagascar. This animal also known as the Golden-crowned Sifaka is a species of large lemur.


This animal was found on an Indonesian island in 1987. What is its common name?

Panay Cloudrunner. The Panay Cloudrunner is a nocturnal, charcoal-grey rodent with a squirrel-like tail.


The Kitti's hog-nosed bat was discovered in Thailand in 1974 and it is the smallest known mammal. By what other name is it known?

Bumblebee bat. This little bat weighs only about two grams.


This last question is actually about an animal discovered in the 21st century. A small owl was discovered in Sri Lanka in early 2001. It was the first new species of bird found in Sri Lanka for how many years?

132 years. This little owl was found by ornithologist Deepal Warakagoda who had been tracking its call for several years.
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#4876118 - 06/17/11 07:16 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876125 - 06/17/11 07:18 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876128 - 06/17/11 07:20 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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5.Komodo Dragon, the Dragon was unknown to science and the world until a man flying a plane landed on the island of Komodo. When he returned to land he told tales of how these creatures were living dragons and would devour anything. Not many believed him until a team went and captured one.


Those kritters are relentless, simple-minded creatures. (reminds me of someone here.) They bite and wait for their venom to kill. Watched a film where a group of them killed a water buffalo over the course of a couple days. Terrible way to go for that buffalo.


Quicker than greased *spoon* too! They would have caught and eaten Jonnie and Hadji if it wasnt for Bandit! distracting them!
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#4876141 - 06/17/11 07:23 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876146 - 06/17/11 07:24 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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5.Komodo Dragon, the Dragon was unknown to science and the world until a man flying a plane landed on the island of Komodo. When he returned to land he told tales of how these creatures were living dragons and would devour anything. Not many believed him until a team went and captured one.


Those kritters are relentless, simple-minded creatures. (reminds me of someone here.) They bite and wait for their venom to kill. Watched a film where a group of them killed a water buffalo over the course of a couple days. Terrible way to go for that buffalo.


Quicker than greased *spoon* too! They would have caught and eaten Jonnie and Hadji if it wasnt for Bandit! distracting them!


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#4876154 - 06/17/11 07:27 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876156 - 06/17/11 07:28 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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I think that Bobbie is trolling your thread now bronzilla. Perhaps he need to learn about the mythical Notify Moderator button? TT trolled my archaeology and Arch called him out as a troll in it. As you can see, he trolls it no more. If you want something done about the simple minded you have to lower yourself to their level. Push that Bobbie Button!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#4876162 - 06/17/11 07:29 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Love those commercials. Is that a real Sasquatch or just an actor?
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#4876167 - 06/17/11 07:31 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876174 - 06/17/11 07:36 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Love those commercials. Is that a real Sasquatch or just an actor?



Actor.

I think my favorites involve "sleeping Sasquatch" Especially where the campers huddle around and put the big guys hand in a pot of warm water. \:D
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#4876178 - 06/17/11 07:38 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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I like the one where they talk him into licking a frozen flag pole. He rips the pole out and beans them both with the same sound you get hitting a baseball with an aluminum bat. lol
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#4876180 - 06/17/11 07:39 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876183 - 06/17/11 07:40 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876187 - 06/17/11 07:42 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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I think that Bobbie is trolling your thread now bronzilla. Perhaps he need to learn about the mythical Notify Moderator button? TT trolled my archaeology and Arch called him out as a troll in it. As you can see, he trolls it no more. If you want something done about the simple minded you have to lower yourself to their level. Push that Bobbie Button!!!!!!!!!!!!


No worries, it doesnt bother me, its all in good fun. I do hope he watches the documentary though. Its one of my favorite and my experience has been that most doubters after watching the Patterson analysis in this Doc come away with a new respect for the possibility that a large as yet "undiscovered" hominid just may inhabit the Pacific Northwest.

Some pretty reputable scientists are involved in the research.
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#4876194 - 06/17/11 07:43 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876204 - 06/17/11 07:50 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876237 - 06/17/11 08:02 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4876243 - 06/17/11 08:04 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: lookwhoitis]
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Please document that photo; we'll need that for evidence when the magic dragon deniers show up. ;\)
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#4876250 - 06/17/11 08:08 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876253 - 06/17/11 08:09 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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I teach middle schoolers about bullying and how to spot it and how to avoid it....

I think I will print out this thread and show it to them next school year.
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#4876292 - 06/17/11 08:26 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: hulksmashdave]
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Some Bears can walk for a short time on their rear hind legs, this obviously over the years has led to some mistaken bigfoot sightings. Check out .50 seconds in. Really freaky looking!


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#4876297 - 06/17/11 08:29 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Very cool. I suppose that hurt paw was too much, and the bear would rather walk upright because of it.
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#4876301 - 06/17/11 08:30 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: hulksmashdave]
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I teach middle schoolers about bullying and how to spot it and how to avoid it....

I think I will print out this thread and show it to them next school year.


If you save the "Summers are going to be getting hotter" thread you'll have your whole school year covered. \(thumbs u
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#4876307 - 06/17/11 08:32 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Bears and humans share a common type of locomotion, called plantigrade locomotion. They walk flat on the foot/paw with their heel, sole, and pad on the ground. This broad base of support (compared to hoofed animals, for instance), combined with their ability to balance their bodies over their rear legs, gives bears and humans greater stability in an upright position and allows humans to walk upright easily. Bears, although they usually walk on all four paws, can walk upright on their hind legs. If brush or ground cover is in their pathway, they may stand upright to get a better view of their surroundings or to see or hear better. They may also stand upright when they claw trees, fence posts, or utility poles, or to display aggression when they encounter another bear.

Because bears and humans walk in the same way, they leave similar prints. Both bear paw prints and human footprints show a sole, heel, and a pad as well as five toes. However, there are identifiable differences. For instance, the large toe is on the outside of the bear paw print, but on the inside of the human footprint. Although bears have claws and humans have toenails, the toenails do not show in a human footprint. Bears' claws show as small holes above the toe in a paw print, but the holes made by the claws of grizzly bears are more striking than those of black bears because grizzlies have longer claws. (See bear tracks.)

Although bears can walk upright, they only do so for short distances and are slow. They normally walk on all four paws. Although they look bulky, clumsy, and slow when down in this position, bears can run swiftly, reaching speeds up to 30 miles per hour. Humans cannot outrun bears. However, bears can only run this fast for short distances. Other animals such as healthy adult deer and elk can usually outrun a bear if they have a good enough start.
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#4876313 - 06/17/11 08:35 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4876341 - 06/17/11 08:48 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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I teach middle schoolers about bullying and how to spot it and how to avoid it....

I think I will print out this thread and show it to them next school year.


If you save the "Summers are going to be getting hotter" thread you'll have your whole school year covered. \(thumbs u


Unfortunately we only have the time to allocate a day or so to it with the new standardized testing and all.

Oh and the bullying in this thread is much more on THEIR LEVEL.


Edited by hulksmashdave (06/17/11 08:49 PM)
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#4876354 - 06/17/11 08:52 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: hulksmashdave]
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I teach middle schoolers about bullying and how to spot it and how to avoid it....

I think I will print out this thread and show it to them next school year.


If you save the "Summers are going to be getting hotter" thread you'll have your whole school year covered. \(thumbs u


Unfortunately we only have the time to allocate a day or so to it with the new standardized testing and all.

Oh and the bullying in this thread is much more on THEIR LEVEL.


I agree. \(thumbs u
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#4876391 - 06/17/11 09:03 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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I teach middle schoolers about bullying and how to spot it and how to avoid it....

I think I will print out this thread and show it to them next school year.


If you save the "Summers are going to be getting hotter" thread you'll have your whole school year covered. \(thumbs u


Unfortunately we only have the time to allocate a day or so to it with the new standardized testing and all.

Oh and the bullying in this thread is much more on THEIR LEVEL.


I agree. \(thumbs u


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#4876439 - 06/17/11 09:26 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Troll King]
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#4876594 - 06/17/11 10:28 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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The thought we know all of the animals on the planet is ridiculous. Bigfoot just another hitherto undiscovered animal. May be real. May not be real. If it ultimately is found I doubt it will live up the all of the SyFy Channel type movie hype about it.

And that is the funniest thing: the make-funners probably have a SyFy movie mentality when it comes to this kind of thing. hm
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#4876809 - 06/17/11 11:58 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: FlyingDonut]
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If it is a species we haven't discovered yet, they must reproduce. There must be more than just one. Produce a corpse. End of argument.
Also, didn't someone come forward years later and say the Patterson film was faked, or am I thinking of something else?


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#4877017 - 06/18/11 08:59 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: returner]
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If it is a species we haven't discovered yet, they must reproduce. There must be more than just one. Produce a corpse. End of argument.
Also, didn't someone come forward years later and say the Patterson film was faked, or am I thinking of something else?


Philip Morris
In 2002, Philip Morris of Morris Costumes (a North Carolina-based company offering costumes, props and stage products) claimed that he made a gorilla costume that was used in the Patterson film. Morris says he discussed his role in the hoax privately in the 1980s but first admitted it publicly on August 16, 2002, on Charlotte, North Carolina, radio station WBT-AM.[48] Morris claims he was reluctant to expose the hoax earlier for fear of harming his business: giving away a performer's secrets, he said, would be widely regarded as disreputable.[49]

Morris said that he sold an ape suit to Patterson via mail-order in 1967, thinking it was going to be used in what Patterson described as a "prank"[50] (ordinarily the gorilla suits he sold were used for a popular side-show routine that depicted an attractive woman changing into a gorilla.) After the initial sale, Morris said that Patterson telephoned him asking how to make the "shoulders more massive"[51] and the "arms longer."[52] Morris says he suggested that whoever wore the suit should wear wide football-type shoulder pads and hold sticks in his hands within the suit. His assertion was also printed in the Charlotte Observer.[53]

As for the creature's walk, Morris said:
The Bigfoot researchers say that no human can walk that way in the film. Oh, yes they can! When you're wearing long clown's feet, you can't place the ball of your foot down first. You have to put your foot down flat. Otherwise, you'll stumble. Another thing, when you put on the gorilla head, you can only turn your head maybe a quarter of the way. And to look behind you, you've got to turn your head and your shoulders and your hips. Plus, the shoulder pads in the suit are in the way of the jaw. That's why the Bigfoot turns and looks the way he does in the film. He has to twist his entire upper body.[54]

Morris' wife and business partner Amy had vouched for her husband and claims to have helped frame the suit.[54] Morris offered no evidence apart from testimony to support his account.

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#4877106 - 06/18/11 10:15 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: the_Greatest]
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#4877111 - 06/18/11 10:19 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Philip Morris is one man who has been pretty much debunked as a glory hound. No One with an open mind and who has researched the evidence takes what he said seriously. One man amongst a mountain of evidence. People need to look at all the evidence not just the evidence that seems to support their preconceptions.
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#4877117 - 06/18/11 10:25 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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uh huh. Have any doubters as of yet taken the time to look at the national geographic documentary and the analysis?
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#4877131 - 06/18/11 10:49 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Hey, I'm not saying he doesn't exist. Just saying it's highly unlikely he exists.
maybe not,but maybe like many of the recently discovered species that people doubted he simply has not been discovered as of yet. Imagine all those laughed at reports of kamodo dragons prior to discoverey. National geographic assembled a team of open minded scientists and technicians and did a sober and reasoned study. You should check it and other documentaries and books out if you have any real interest. \(thumbs u
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#4877136 - 06/18/11 10:53 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4877148 - 06/18/11 11:02 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4877159 - 06/18/11 11:11 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: lookwhoitis]
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Dermal ridge patterns on plaster cast footprints,scat samples,hair samples that under analysis are closer to hominid that any other species,sightings,native american history,the patterson film,audio recordings that do not match any known species etc etc etc. All the above is cause to at least examine the evidence. Sure there is hokum and humour in our collective minds towards the creature,but that does not negate some pretty compelling evidence. Im glad NG took this subject seriously.
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#4877160 - 06/18/11 11:12 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4877169 - 06/18/11 11:20 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Well....if any reports of a juggling sasquatch come in we can probably rule them out. meh
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#4877219 - 06/18/11 11:59 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4877261 - 06/18/11 12:22 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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I'm gonna paraphrase:

"Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing.

If Patterson filmed a genuine Sasquatch years ago with technology contemporary to TV shows like Gilligan’s Island and F-troop why has some multinational corporation, or some private multi-millionaire, or some other country not done the same thing since?

Given the increase in the number of cameras and video recording devices since 1967, it seems someone should have duplicated, with better quality, an encounter like this by now. Why has no one else made a film like Patterson’s?"
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#4877284 - 06/18/11 12:34 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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uh huh. Have any doubters as of yet taken the time to look at the national geographic documentary and the analysis?
Yes.
I though it was very cool, I love subjects like this. Thanks for sharing it, how awesome would it be if a creature like Bigfoot was proven to exist?
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#4877439 - 06/18/11 01:57 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: ucleben]
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I'm gonna paraphrase:

"Every time this subject comes up I say the same thing.

If Patterson filmed a genuine Sasquatch years ago with technology contemporary to TV shows like Gilligan’s Island and F-troop why has some multinational corporation, or some private multi-millionaire, or some other country not done the same thing since?

Given the increase in the number of cameras and video recording devices since 1967, it seems someone should have duplicated, with better quality, an encounter like this by now. Why has no one else made a film like Patterson’s?"
Dont know. But the age of the film is one of the mosf compelling aspects. Analysis has shown it would be virtually impossible to fake in that time period with a man in a suit.
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#4877453 - 06/18/11 02:03 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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And yes people have recently caught on tape what may or not be a sasquatch. Hoaxes and miss identification are rampant. Some footage is compelling as well.
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#4877458 - 06/18/11 02:08 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4877472 - 06/18/11 02:18 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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I'm highly suspect for reasons that a skeleton has never been recovered. Also the population in the Northwest has grown considerably and, if anything, sightings, filming and encounters should occur more frequently. Not to mention that a population of these humanoids would have to exist. If they are cleaver enough to elude us, wouldn't they be clever enough to come in from the outdoors? hm
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#4877479 - 06/18/11 02:24 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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The scientific community discounts the existence of Bigfoot, as there is no evidence supporting the survival of such a large, prehistoric ape-like creature. The evidence that does exist points more towards a hoax or delusion than to sightings of a genuine creature.[4] In a 1996 USA Today article titled "Bigfoot Merely Amuses Most Scientists", Washington State zoologist John Crane says, "There is no such thing as Bigfoot. No data other than material that's clearly been fabricated has ever been presented."[67]

In addition to the lack of evidence, scientists cite the fact that Bigfoot is alleged to live in regions unusual for a large, nonhuman primate, i.e., temperate latitudes in the northern hemisphere; all recognized nonhuman apes are found in the tropics of Africa and Asia. Thus, as with other proposed megafauna cryptids, climate and food supply issues would make such a creature's survival in reported habitats unlikely.[68]

Furthermore, great apes are not found in the fossil record in the Americas, and no Bigfoot remains have ever been found. Indeed, scientific consensus is that the breeding population of such an animal would be so large that it would account for many more purported sightings than currently occur, making the existence of such an animal an almost certain impossibility.[5]

A few scientists have been less skeptical about the claims of the existence of sasquatch. Jeffrey Meldrum characterizes the search for Sasquatch as "a valid scientific endeavor".[citation needed] and says that the fossil remains of an ancient giant ape called Gigantopithecus could turn out to be ancestors of today’s commonly known Bigfoot.[69] John Napier asserts that the scientific community's attitude towards Bigfoot stems primarily from insufficient evidence.[70]

Other scientists who have shown varying degrees of interest in the legend are anthropologist David Daegling,[71] field biologist George Shaller,[67][72][73] Russell Mittermeier, Daris Swindler, Esteban Sarmiento,[74] and discredited racial anthropologist Carleton S. Coon.[75] Jane Goodall, in a September 27, 2002 interview on National Public Radio's "Science Friday", expressed her ideas about the existence of Bigfoot. First stating "I'm sure they exist", she later went on to say, chuckling, "Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist", and finally: "You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to."[76]

However, the vast majority of evolutionary biologists, anthropologists and paleontologists completely dismiss the possibility of the existence of sasquatch.
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#4877482 - 06/18/11 02:24 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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I'm highly suspect for reasons that a skeleton has never been recovered. Also the population in the Northwest has grown considerably and, if anything, sightings, filming and encounters should occur more frequently. Not to mention that a population of these humanoids would have to exist. If they are cleaver enough to elude us, wouldn't they be clever enough to come in from the outdoors? hm


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#4877494 - 06/18/11 02:31 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: hulksmashdave]
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I'm highly suspect for reasons that a skeleton has never been recovered. Also the population in the Northwest has grown considerably and, if anything, sightings, filming and encounters should occur more frequently. Not to mention that a population of these humanoids would have to exist. If they are cleaver enough to elude us, wouldn't they be clever enough to come in from the outdoors? hm


Some people like the outdoors.


Oh, I do too. Just saying that is they were clever enough to manage to stay hidden, they would also be clever enough to figure a way of communicating with us in some way.

Also, why has no one ever photographed a small (child) Bigfoot? They're always man size or greater. I believe all of the foot castings are always larger. This makes me think of people who believe in reincarnation and always come back as a famous person. Why is it no one ever comes back as John doe?
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#4877498 - 06/18/11 02:33 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Here's an idea too: If they are humanoid, would the males & females be hunter/gatherers? Would they perform their duties in ways similar. Are they strictly vegetarian & what would they eat? Pine trees? I take it they are not carnivorous, otherwise I would assume there would be livestock killed at times.
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#4877501 - 06/18/11 02:37 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#4877511 - 06/18/11 02:44 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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There is far too little (if any) empirical scientific proof to back up claims of the existence of a Bigfoot. Bottom line is still the same; produce a corpse or skeleton. Hair, scat, all these examples of "proof" mean very little. Gee, we found a hair, were not sure where it came from. And?
There was a guy in Gulf Breeze, Florida in the mid 80's that had what many believed was astonishing and unquestionable proof of the existence of UFO's. He had poloroid pictures and film of UFO's visiting him. It all seemed very compelling. I really got into the book The Gulf Breeze Sightings. Almost made me want to believe. THEN, he was caught with models of the UFO's he said visited him. Exact replicas of what he filmed. Then a high school kid came forward and admitted he helped with the hoax. So much for indisputable "proof".
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I remember, hell, some 25 years ago or so, David Letterman had a Bigfoot investigator on his show with stuff he had found. One of the items was Sasquach excrement, and he had it on the show. Dave asked him "how do you know this isn't just a camper with a bad diet?" Cracked me up, and I remember it to this day. Extraordinary claims require extraordinay proof. I'd give Sasquach a 50/50 chance of being real. The Native Americas were reporting Sasquach sightings long before we were all debating it. That should be taken into consideration. What reason would they have to lie or fake things?
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#4877537 - 06/18/11 03:00 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: returner]
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Before 1958

Wildmen stories are found among the indigenous population of the Pacific Northwest. The legends existed prior to a single name for the creature.[15] They differed in their details both regionally and between families in the same community. Similar stories of wildmen are found on every continent except Antarctica.[15] Ecologist Robert Michael Pyle argues that most cultures have human-like giants in their folk history: "We have this need for some larger-than-life creature."[16]

Members of the Lummi tell tales about Ts'emekwes, the local version of Bigfoot. The stories are similar to each other in terms of the general descriptions of Ts'emekwes, but details about the creature's diet and activities differed between the stories of different families.[17]

Some regional versions contained more nefarious creatures. The stiyaha or kwi-kwiyai were a nocturnal race that children were told not to say the names of lest the monsters hear and come to carry off a person—sometimes to be killed.[18] In 1847, Paul Kane reported stories by the native people about skoocooms: a race of cannibalistic wild men living on the peak of Mount St. Helens.[12] The skoocooms appear to have been regarded as supernatural, rather than natural.[12]

Less menacing versions such as the one recorded by Reverend Elkanah Walker exist. In 1840, Walker, a Protestant missionary, recorded stories of giants among the Native Americans living in Spokane, Washington. The Indians claimed that these giants lived on and around the peaks of nearby mountains and stole salmon from the fishermen's nets.[19]

The local legends were combined together by J. W. Burns in a series of Canadian newspaper articles in the 1920s. Each language had its own name for the local version.[20] Many names meant something along the lines of "wild man" or "hairy man" although other names described common actions it was said to perform (e.g. eating clams).[21] Burns coined the term Sasquatch, which is from the Halkomelem sásq’ets (IPA: [ˈsæsqʼəts]),[22] and used it in his articles to describe a hypothetical single type of creature reflected in these various stories.[12][21][23] Burns's articles popularized both the legend and its new name, making it well known in western Canada before it gained popularity in the United States.[24]

After 1958

In 1951, Eric Shipton had photographed what he described as a Yeti footprint.[24] This photograph generated considerable attention and the story of the Yeti entered into popular consciousness. The notoriety of ape-men grew over the decade, culminating in 1958 when large footprints were found in Del Norte County, California, by bulldozer operator Gerald Crew. Sets of large tracks appeared multiple times around a road-construction site in Bluff Creek. After not being taken seriously about what he was seeing, Crew brought in his friend, Bob Titmus, to cast the prints in plaster. The story was published in the Humboldt Times along with a photo of Crew holding one of the casts.[12] Locals had been calling the unseen track-maker "Big Foot" since the late summer, which Humboldt Times columnist Andrew Genzoli shortened to "Bigfoot" in his article.[25] Bigfoot gained international attention when the story was picked up by the Associated Press.[12][26] Following the death of Ray Wallace – a local logger – his family attributed the creation of the footprints to him.[4] The wife of Scoop Beal, the editor of the Humboldt Standard, which later combined with the Humboldt Times, in which Genzoli's story had appeared,[27] has stated that her husband was in on the hoax with Wallace.[28]

1958 was a watershed year for not just the Bigfoot story itself but also the culture that surrounds it. The first Bigfoot hunters began following the discovery of footprints at Bluff Creek, California. Within a year, Tom Slick, who had funded searches for Yeti in the Himalayas earlier in the decade, organized searches for Bigfoot in the area around Bluff Creek.[29]

As Bigfoot has become better known and a phenomenon in popular culture, sightings have spread throughout North America. In addition to the Pacific Northwest, the Great Lakes region and the Southeastern United States have had many reports of Bigfoot sightings.[30]
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#4877549 - 06/18/11 03:06 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Sasquatch was a CIA experiment gone bad. The CIA wanted to keep Americans and Canadians afraid so they developed this "monster", about 15-20 of them, to wander the woods of North America. Each sasquatch had a homing device emplanted, so when the creature died, a group of black helicopters would swoop in and take the remains before anyone discovered them. The remains are located in a CIA freezer in Quantico, VA, next to the remains of Osama Bin Laden and Jimmy Hoffa.



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They described the differences in the ankle movement between humans and how a Bigfoot walks. Watch at 7:00-7:06 and see the human movement of the ankle in the Patterson film. That is not the ankle movement they described for a Bigfoot.
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#4877659 - 06/18/11 04:27 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Philip Morris is one man who has been pretty much debunked as a glory hound. No One with an open mind and who has researched the evidence takes what he said seriously. One man amongst a mountain of evidence. People need to look at all the evidence not just the evidence that seems to support their preconceptions.


Fixed that for you.

As far as "People need to look at all the evidence not just the evidence that seems to support their preconceptions" I doubt that will ever happen. I am 50/50 on the issue. Not gullible enough to grab at any seeming "evidence" and not stupid enough to seek and disseminate only that which supports what I want to believe. These people you can usually identify by the mock respect they give the "other side" and the offhand humor they try to use. They are also identified by their thinking this is written about them.
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#4877667 - 06/18/11 04:33 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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No fossil record in the entire world ever found.
No corpse found in the entire world ever found.
No credible photograph or film in our age of digital cameras ever captured.
No genetic evidence in the world ever found.


Yet with all that, there is supposed to be world wide populations that live at sustainable levels.
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No corpse found in the entire world ever verified to my knowledge.
No credible photograph or film in our age of digital cameras ever captured.
No genetic evidence in the world ever verified to my knowledge.

As far as fossil evidence do you have any idea how many yet to be identified fossils occupy the museums of the world? And how many new species of dinisaurs etc. were discovered by a scientist going through the catalogue of stored fossils already in the museums?

As regrdrs specifying digital camera? I would take film over digital for any type of validity. Digital manipulation is ridiculously easy to do. And digital artifacting has created uncounted pieces of false evidence from ufo sightings to Niburu evidence to extra dimensional beings to Reptillians. Any time I see "digital" combined with "evidence" I get warning flags.
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#4877748 - 06/18/11 05:28 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PovertyRow]
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No fossil record in the entire world ever verified to my knowledge.
No corpse found in the entire world ever verified to my knowledge.
No credible photograph or film in our age of digital cameras ever captured.
No genetic evidence in the world ever verified to my knowledge.

As far as fossil evidence do you have any idea how many yet to be identified fossils occupy the museums of the world? And how many new species of dinisaurs etc. were discovered by a scientist going through the catalogue of stored fossils already in the museums?

As regrdrs specifying digital camera? I would take film over digital for any type of validity. Digital manipulation is ridiculously easy to do. And digital artifacting has created uncounted pieces of false evidence from ufo sightings to Niburu evidence to extra dimensional beings to Reptillians. Any time I see "digital" combined with "evidence" I get warning flags.



I think what he was implying by digital is that in the past you either had or didn't have a camera with you. Today, with digital phones/cameras, many more people have the opportunity to photograph a Bigfoot if sighted.
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#4877935 - 06/18/11 07:26 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: tomega]
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 Originally Posted By: tomega
No fossil record in the entire world ever found.
No corpse found in the entire world ever found.
No credible photograph or film in our age of digital cameras ever captured.
No genetic evidence in the world ever found.


Yet with all that, there is supposed to be world wide populations that live at sustainable levels.
Yep. And yet some of those same people that believe Bigfoot is real, have doubts about the American Moon landings?

Skepticism on all the hours and hours of NASA Moon footage, yet a belief in a 20 second film.

I don’t get it.
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#4877986 - 06/18/11 07:54 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: ucleben]
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 Originally Posted By: tomega
No fossil record in the entire world ever found.
No corpse found in the entire world ever found.
No credible photograph or film in our age of digital cameras ever captured.
No genetic evidence in the world ever found.


Yet with all that, there is supposed to be world wide populations that live at sustainable levels.
Yep. And yet some of those same people that believe Bigfoot is real, have doubts about the American Moon landings?

Skepticism on all the hours and hours of NASA Moon footage, yet a belief in a 20 second film.

I don’t get it.



Neither do I. If NASA/The Illuminati/governments/The Fed etc were to say "Yes, aliens have visited earth" or "reptillians are real" the conspiracy folks would be celebrating. They would embrace the word of those they constantly brand as purveyors of lies.


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#4879424 - 06/19/11 02:23 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: supapimp]
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Very lucky for everyone that the Bigfoot hunters were the owners of the truck the Bigfoot came to look inside. Otherwise, we might not have this awesome DNA to test. How fortunate! hm

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#4883052 - 06/20/11 10:53 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: VintageComics]
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A little experiment for you. Next time you are having dinner with several people, suddenly state that the first one who captures a picture of you wins twenty bucks.

See how long it takes for someone to take your picture.

As someone who believes in intelligent alien life somewhere "out there", I can not go along with Big Foot creatures. The numbers needed to sustain a viable population are impossible. If we can photograph really rarely seen forms of life (such as giant squids or Snow Leopards, why can't we get a decent video of Big Foot (not some grainy far away thing, but something up close and/or zoomed in).

Plus, why aren't they called Big Feets? \:\)
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#4883084 - 06/20/11 11:01 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: conditionfreak]
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Plus, why aren't they called Big Feets? \:\)
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#4883396 - 06/21/11 01:49 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: conditionfreak]
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 Originally Posted By: conditionfreak
The numbers needed to sustain a viable population are impossible. If we can photograph really rarely seen forms of life (such as giant squids or Snow Leopards, why can't we get a decent video of Big Foot (not some grainy far away thing, but something up close and/or zoomed in).

Plus, why aren't they called Big Feets? \:\)


Why do you assume a viable population? The numbers of some critically endangered species are in the double digits. The Snow Leopard example you use has a population (not including zoos) of between 3930 and 6390.

As far as giant squid? Well the first images of a live adult were taken in 2002. Two thousand two. That is nine years ago. To me that speaks more pro than anti Sasquatch.
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#4883423 - 06/21/11 02:23 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PovertyRow]
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Exactly. The numbers of some are making them extinct without our help, or at the very least our leaving their habitats alone.

Are we leaving the habitats of Big Feets alone? Are we leaving them alone, or trying to capture/kill them?

Giant Squid are in the deepest darkest parts of the most unexplored part of the planet. Under water.

Big Feets are "supposedly" in many of our back yards.


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#4883450 - 06/21/11 02:54 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: conditionfreak]
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Exactly. The numbers of some are making them extinct without our help, or at the very least our leaving their habitats alone.

Are we leaving the habitats of Big Feets alone? Are we leaving them alone, or trying to capture/kill them?

Giant Squid are in the deepest darkest parts of the most unexplored part of the planet. Under water.

Big Feets are "supposedly" in many of our back yards.


Well you are the one who used giant squid to support your stance so I am now befuddled.

As far as Bigfoot being "supposedly" in our back yars, allow me to requote what I had said previously in this thread.

 Originally Posted By: Povertyrow
The thought we know all of the animals on the planet is ridiculous. Bigfoot just another hitherto undiscovered animal. May be real. May not be real. If it ultimately is found I doubt it will live up the all of the SyFy Channel type movie hype about it.

And that is the funniest thing: the make-funners probably have a SyFy movie mentality when it comes to this kind of thing. hm



As far as encroachment of land, much of the land that covers Bigfoot lore has been encroached on by humans.

As far as my take, I don't believe. I don't disbelieve. I certainly see a possibility for Bigfoot's existence, as well as the possibility for many other hitherto undiscovered animals and plants.
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#4883614 - 06/21/11 08:51 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PovertyRow]
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Here's what I really think. I think there was a Bigfoot, hundreds of years ago, the story handed down by the American Indian and the legend is all that's left.
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#4883704 - 06/21/11 10:00 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Black Hand]
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Idaho State University Researcher Coordinates Analysis of Body Imprint That May Belong to a Sasquatch

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October 23, 2000

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Pocatello – Dr. Jeff Meldrum, associate professor of anatomy and anthropology at Idaho State University, is a member of the scientific team examining a plaster cast of what may be the first documented body imprint of a Sasquatch.

The imprint of what appears to be a large animal's left forearm, hip, thigh, and heel was discovered Sept. 22 in a muddy wallow near Mt. Adams in southern Washington state by a Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization (www.BFRO.net) expedition in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest.

The investigating team, including Meldrum; Dr. Grover Krantz, retired physical anthropologist from Washington State University; Dr. John Bindernagel, Canadian wildlife biologist; John Green, retired Canadian journalist and author; and Dr. Ron Brown, exotic animal handler and health care administrator, all examined the cast and agreed that it cannot be attributed to any commonly known Northwest animal and may represent an unknown primate.

Meldrum, whose research includes comparative primate anatomy and the emergence of human walking supervised the careful cleaning of the cast, and will coordinate its analysis by a scientific team. He first became actively interested in the question of the existence of a North American ape after examining fresh Sasquatch (popularly called Bigfoot) tracks in 1996.

“While not definitively proving the existence of a species of North American ape, the cast constitutes significant and compelling new evidence that will hopefully stimulate further serious research and investigation into the presence of these primates in the Northwest mountains and elsewhere,” Meldrum said.

Dr. LeRoy Fish, a retired wildlife ecologist from Triangles Lake, Ore., with a doctorate in zoology from Washington State University; Derek Randles, a landscape architect from Belfair, Wash.; and Richard Noll, a tooling metrologist from Edmonds, Wash.; discovered and cast the partial body imprint during the BFRO expedition.

More than 200 pounds of plaster were needed to produce the 3-1/2 x 5-foot cast of the entire impression, which was reinforced with researchers’ aluminum tent poles. Other Sasquatch evidence documented by the BFRO expedition includes voice recordings and indistinct 17-inch footprints.

Trace evidence attributed to Sasquatch is usually footprints, but impressions of other body parts, including hands, knuckles, and buttocks, have occasionally been found. This unique instance of a partial body impression provides further insights about this elusive ape species’ anatomy. Preliminary measurements indicate its body dimensions are 40 to 50 percent greater than those of a six-foot tall human.

After the cast was cleaned, extensive impressions of hair on the buttock and thigh surfaces and a fringe of longer hair along the forearm were evident. Meldrum identified what appear to be skin ridge patterns on the heel, comparable to fingerprints, that are characteristic of primates. The ridge characteristics are consistent with other examples from Sasquatch footprints Meldrum has studied in collaboration with officer Jimmy Chilcutt, a latent fingerprint examiner with the Conroe, Texas, Police Department. The anatomy of the heel, ankle, and Achilles tendon are also distinct and consistent with models of the Sasquatch foot derived by Meldrum after examining hundreds of alleged Sasquatch footprints.

Hair samples collected at the scene and from the cast itself and examined by Dr. Henner Fahrenbach, a biomedical research scientist from Beaverton, Ore., were primarily of deer, elk, coyote, and bear, as was expected since tracks in the wallow were mostly of those animals. However, based on characteristics matching those of otherwise indeterminate primate hairs collected in association with other Sasquatch sightings, he identified a single distinctly primate hair as “Sasquatch.”

Sasquatch is a species of North American ape suspected to inhabit the mountainous forests of the Northwest. Its existence remains controversial despite numerous eyewitness sightings and the discovery of enormous footprints.

More information about the Skookum Cast can be found at the web site for the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization: http://www.bfro.net
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#4883713 - 06/21/11 10:06 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#4883723 - 06/21/11 10:16 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Making Estimates of the Bigfoot PopulationEstimating abundance of an animal population is as complicated as it is inexact. There are many different formulas and methods for estimating population sizes, all of which depend on at least a few specimens being available to study, tag, and/or take sub-sample counts of, in a controlled study area by trained biologists. For the rarest animals that receive little to no attention from field biologists, such as wolverines and bigfoots, the process of making estimates is even more speculative and difficult.

The processes for traditional animal counts involve equations and almost constant reevaluation of the methods used. Very little carries over from a strict, methodical scientific approach when the biologists only have testimonial data to work from. The only thing that does carry over is the idea of "observability."

"Observability" in the field of wildlife biology is expressed as a number. The number is the accepted ratio of unobserved individuals to observed individuals in a given species population, or sub-sample of the population. For example, if mountain quail are being counted in a given study area, and the observability factor is 4 to 1, and 20 quail are actually counted in the study area, then the quail population in that study area is estimated at 80.

This is an oversimplification of what goes into the entire process of determining an abundance estimate, not to mention how the proper observability factor is determined and tested.

When making abundance estimates of a rare, elusive species such as wolverines or bigfoots, the only numbers that serve as "counts" are the credible sighting reports from the public. That brings in a lot more subjectivity into the process because it boils down to a matter of opinion as to which reports are reliable enough to be part of that count. Also, the observability factors for the most elusive animals are more subjective and basically impossible to test. But there has to be some observability factors if abundance estimates are to be made. The observability factors for bigfoots are estimates themselves -- based mostly on behavioral considerations of both human observers and bigfoots, and upon habitat size and the ballpark numbers for credible reports.

Some of the considerations are:
The numbers of credible reports and track finds since that information started being gathered in the early 1960's.
The fact that most observers described having a lot of hesitation before reporting their observation (caused by the fear of ridicule from their peers) -- which suggests that most observers never come forward to report their observations.
Observations consistently suggesting extreme elusiveness, fear of humans, nocturnal feeding, and nomadism.
Observations consistently suggesting that bigfoots rarely ever remain in groups of more than three.
Observations consistently suggesting that bigfoots and bigfoot groups need a lot of space but stay more or less on the move in forests throughout their lives.
Observations suggesting that they are both foragers and predators.
Observations suggesting that they try to avoid leaving tracks where possible (other predators are known to do the same).
The two most common considerations are:
How many individuals must there be in order to sustain a viable breeding population, and
How many is too many to be reasonable, considering the relative scarcity of observations and track finds compared to other animals.
A question presented by these two considerations is: Whether the figure for consideration #1 is higher than the figure for consideration #2. In other words, would a minimum breeding population size necessarily exceed a reasonableness threshold given the scarcity of observations and evidence gathered by humans? That would certainly be the case if the minimum breeding population were 10 million individuals, but it would not be the case if the minimum breeding population were only 300 individuals.

We know from other mammal species that have faced extinction in the past, that a population can go as low as a few hundred individuals and still be viable for many generations. So the theoretical minimum breeding population can be set at roughly 300 individuals.

One problem with any population estimate, even if it is only a theoretical parameter, is that it causes many people to visualize one big herd in one valley representing the entire population. Not everyone can conceive of a four-digit population scattered across a big continent, and thus being so widely scattered that they might never live in groups of more than three or four individuals. One must have a mathematical sense to understand that a few thousand elusive, nocturnal, nomadic individuals that are spread out among millions of square miles would make for a very rare species indeed.

That scenario raises the question of whether a population figure close to the minimal breeding population threshold is too low to explain the number of sighting reports across the continent.

Bigfoot / sasquatch sightings and track finds started being documented more or less from the early 1960's onward. Since that time there have been roughly 3500 documented sightings and track finds that are thought to be credible. The documented sightings and track finds are thought to represent only a fraction of the actual observations by humans in North America during the same time frame. The reports come from basically everywhere across continent where there are coniferous forests. It is likely that many observations and track finds over the years involved the same individuals. But it is also likely that many bigfoots have never been observed by any humans.

In the past when all the objective and subjective considerations have been juggled to come up with upper and lower parameters for a population size, those parameters have usually fallen in the neighborhood of 2000 - 6000.

The higher figures are favored by those who suggest that there would be two to three times as many documented sightings, if Canada and southern Alaska had anywhere near the same human population density as the lower forty-eight states. Humans have to be present for an observation to occur. Where there are no humans, there are no sightings, but there might be just as many bigfoots.

A figure of 2000-6000 would not exceed the reasonableness threshold, but it is well above the minimum breeding population figure.
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#4885985 - 06/22/11 03:27 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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I had previously seen this documentary on TV, but I wathced it again. Some points I would like to make.

The most compelling thing about the famous video to me, is that apparent long upper leg length when compared to the shorter lower leg length. It is highly unusual for a human. If this is a fake, it absolutely has to be a human in the costume and not an ape or monkey. So.... that is very compelling to me. But it is possible that a human could be found that exhibits that unusal body feature.

One of the things that has always bothered me about Big Foot research is the lack of trying to find it/one with dogs.

I was a dog trainer in the Marines Corps, then later as a civilain I worked for American K9. Then I became a cop and a narcotics detective and worked closely with the drug dog handlers in that area.

I know what a well trained Bloodhound or German Shepherd tracking dog can do. A good tracking dog would have no problem whatsoever, picking up the scent of a recent Big Foot sighting and following that trail for days if need be. There also is no way that a Big Foot (as represented in the Patterson film) could possibly be faster than a dog. I currently own 9 dogs, of which five are German Shepherds Dogs trained for tracking duties. As a side note, I also have two Bull Mastiffs, One Standard Poodle and one Rottweiller. That are trained for other things.

There is no reaason that I can think of that tracking dogs, even days after, could not pick up the scent and follow it. Remember that almost all "sightings" of a Big Foot creature talk about the very strong smell.

Unless Big Foot does indeed have magical powers, a good tracking team or even a single dog, could easily follow the trail and find something related to a Big Foot. Dogs track lions, bears and what have you. They are not afraid of following the scent of animals that could literally tear a dog apart. part of the training of a good dog is never letting it lose a battle, and thus they are basically fearless in the face of what would scare you or I to death. Good dogs will not run from a boar hog or a bear. They will not run from a cougar or a lion. They will chase it down and fight it until they can not.

So, the logical conclusion is either that no one has tried to track a Big Feets creature with tracking dogs.

Or there is nothing to track.

Another point. No where in this documentary did I see the pictures and interview of the man who claimed to be the person who wore that suit and was filmed by Patterson/Gimlin. They did mention that one man claimed he was offered $1,000 to do it and he refused. But another man actually confessed he "did it". That man confessed that he was paid to help make that video. He was a very tall man and he showed his walking "gait" and IMO it was exactly like the gait of the creature in the video. Why did they not show that info?

A negative can not be proven. Thus I nor anyone else can not prove this Big Feets creature does not exist. One can only prove that it does exist.

I'm waiting for that proof.


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#4906880 - 07/01/11 01:50 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: conditionfreak]
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Anyone ever heard of the Bili Ape discovered in 2007? A large man size primate that shares similar traights with both chimpanzee and gorilla alike.



Fortunatly the reports which had been going on for years by locals, and at face value seemed impossible, were eventually taken seriously by researchers. Still it took over a year of tracking through the dense rainforest to find these elusive creatures.

Primates have an amazing ability to stay hidden when they want to be. Plus the Congo is a huge area well hidden by dense vegetation, much like the pacific northwest and up in to rainforests of British colombia, wher Sasquatch reports come from, primarily.


http://chimpanzeeinformation.blogspot.com/2011/03/have-you-ever-heard-of-bili-ape.html


Bili Ape, also Bondo Mystery Ape, is the name given to a large primate that inhabits Bili Forest in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Intrigued by the possible existence of a new species of ape -- news that would rock the world of science -- some of the most renowned ape researchers in the world agreed to undertake an expedition to the Bili forest.

Until very recently the possibility of an unknown form of great ape existing in some remote region of darkest Africa, yet still eluding scientific recognition, seemed ludicrous — but not any more. Thanks to some extraordinary discoveries, this remarkable prospect may soon be formally confirmed. Indeed, in stark (but also much-welcomed) contrast to the all-too-familiar cryptozoological scenario whereby reports of a mysterious creature are followed by searches that singularly fail to obtain tangible proof of its existence, the evidence collected in support of the Bali ape's reality is so plentiful and diverse as to be positively embarrassing — bearing in mind that its identity has still not been resolved.

This curious saga began over a century ago, when, in 1898, a Belgian army officer returned home from what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo with some gorilla skulls he had obtained near the village of Bili, on the Uele River in northern Congo's Bondo area — even though no other gorillas had been found within hundreds of miles of Bili before (or since). He donated them to Belgium's Congo Museum in Tervueren, where in due course they were examined by its curator, Henri Schouteden. He was sufficiently struck by their anatomical differences from other gorilla skulls as well as by their unique provenance (roughly halfway between the extreme edges of the western and eastern distribution of any gorilla populations) to classify them as a new subspecies of gorilla, which he dubbed Gorilla gorilla uellensis.

The video footage appears to show a female "mystery ape" with a baby.Less convinced of their separate taxonomic status was mammalogist Dr Colin Groves, whose examination of these skulls in 1970 led him to announce that they were indistinguishable from western lowland gorillas. Thereafter, the Bili ape sank back into obscurity — until 1996, when Kenyan-based conservationist and wildlife photographer Karl Ammann, intrigued by its strange history and apparent disappearance, set out on the first of several Congolese quests to rediscover this mysterious primate.

And rediscover it he did, bringing back such compelling evidence for its presence that several other notable investigators launched their own searches, and returned with equally fascinating clues concerning the Bili ape's nature. Such researchers included primatologist Dr Shelly Williams from Maryland's Jane Goodall Institute, Dr Richard Wrangham from the Leakey Foundation, Dr Christophe Boesch frem Leipzig's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Dr Esteban Sarmiento from New York's American Museum of Natural History and Dr George Schaller from New York's Wildlife Conservation Society.

Large and elaborate ground nests located in riverbeds are only found north of the Uele River.What makes their various finds so especially interesting is the ambivalent identity that they collectively yield for the Bili ape — because, uniquely, it deftly yet bemusingly combines characteristics of gorillas with those of chimpanzees, creating a shadowy anthropoid that is at once both yet neither. For instance: if the Bili ape is a chimpanzee, it is a veritable giant, because videos of living specimens and photographs of dead ones suggest a height of 5-6ft (1.5-1.8m) — a mighty stature supported by the discovery of enormous footprints, some measuring almost l4in (36cm) long, and therefore nearly 2in (5cm) longer even than those of the mountain gorilla! Also, very large ground nests constructed by Bili apes have been found that compare with those created by gorillas; normal chimps build smaller, tree-borne nests. Further evidence of the Bili ape's great size comes from local Bondo hunters, who distinguish two distinct apes — 'tree-beaters' (normal chimps) and 'lion-killers' (the Bili apes). The latter earn their name from their combined size and ferocity, a mix potent enough to ensure their terrestrial safety even in a jungle profusely populated by lions and leopards. Indeed, so unafraid of these great cats are the Bili apes that they hoot loudly when the moon rises and sets — an activity unknown among normal, smaller chimps, which avoid doing so in case they attract predators.

Equally noteworthy is the presence of a pronounced sagittal crest running along the top of one of the original skulls collected by the Belgian army officer and also on a Bili ape skull found by Ammann in 1996 — because this crest, normally an indication of powerful jaws as the jaw muscles are attached to it, is characteristic of gorillas, not of chimps. Conversely, the facial anatomy of the Bili skulls is decidedly chimp-like, not gorilla-like. In addition, hair samples taken from Bili ape ground nests have been shown to contain mitochondrial DNA similar to that of chimps, and the fruit-rich contents of examined faecal droppings is again consistent with a chimp identity although, perplexingly, the droppings themselves outwardly resemble those of gorillas.

Karl Ammann found this crested skull during his initial survey in 1996. The sagittal crest is not normally seen in chimpanzees but is characteristic of the male gorilla.So what is the Bili ape — a gorilla-sized chimp (freak population?/new subspecies?/new species?), an aberrant form of gorilla (freak population?/new subspecies?/new species?) that has evolved certain chimp-like anatomical and behavioural characteristics, or even possibly a genuine chimpanzee-gorilla hybrid? No confirmed crossbreed of chimp and gorilla has ever been recorded, but the two species are sufficiently similar genetically to engender viable offspring. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down exclusively from the maternal parent, so if such interspecific matings are indeed occurring, they must involve female chimps and male gorillas, to explain why the mitochondrial DNA from the Bili ape samples is chimp-like.

Happily, however the mystery of the Bili ape's identity may soon be a mystery no longer. Since autumn 2003, full DNA analyses, including nuclear DNA (that will shed light on both the maternal and the paternal lineages of the Bili ape), have been taking place at Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo, under the auspices of conservation geneticist Dr Ed Louis, and involving DNA comparisons with gorillas, chimps, and also bonobos (pygmy chimps). Ultimately, however a body, or at least some tissue and blood samples, will be needed for absolute verification of the Bili ape's true nature. Until then, the primate world waits, and wonders, and the Bili ape continues to haunt the Congo's Bondo rainforests, cheerfully oblivious to the stunning fact that it may yet be unmasked as the most sensational zoological discovery of the past hundred years. Not so silly in Bili after all.
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#4906890 - 07/01/11 01:56 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Very little photos or video available due to thei reclusive nature, but go to 9:25 to see the creatures.







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Forget for a moment the humour and "snicker factor" surrounding the Bigfoot mythos.

Once you rule out the inevitable Hoaxes and misidentifications, we are left with in my view and that of others some compelling reason to think it quite possible there is a large unclassified primate inhabiting the million or more square miles of largely unnocupied by humans, and densly forested pacific northwest and up into Canada.
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Before I commit 45 minutes to this, is this where they break down the footage frame by frame and show a muscle buldge on the quadricep? I always thought that was very compelling. Hard to manage that with a suit hm
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That was another one. This one shows evidence and offers a couple alternatives to the large Primate hypothesis.

Its a good Doc, but I primarily posted it for the Bili Ape video.
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I have to admit that if this is a hoax, the good 'ol boys that made it thought about all the details right down to the breasts and skull shape.
I was always eating these stories up (bigfoot, Loch Ness, etc.) when I was a kid. Too bad the famous Loch Ness photo has been debunked by the photographer.
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#4906967 - 07/01/11 02:23 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Ultimately if there are Sasquatch out their then they would have to be in limited numbers and considered to be of "endangered species" status.
How sad would it be if these creatures die off without us ever truly knowing if they exist?

Like the intense year long and well funded search for the Bili Ape it will require Scientists taking the evidence that we have thus far seriously.

Had scientists not finally taken the Bili Ape sightings seriously those creatures may never have been known to exist.

Right now this field of Sasquatch research has limited funding and is done primarily by layman with the scattering of scientists intrigued enough by the evidence to actually go out and field research. This leads of course to Hoaxes and Misidentification and a general sense by the public that the subject is not to be taken seriously I hope like the Bili Ape that changes at some point.

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#4906972 - 07/01/11 02:26 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Jeffro]
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This thread reminds me that I have to watch Legend of Boggy Creek again.


\:D

That one allways scared me a kid.
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#4906975 - 07/01/11 02:29 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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It's always been commented on that bones are never found. Elephants have been known to collect and gather bones of their dead in one location, so I suppose it's not unthinkable for a higher primate to do the same.
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#4906977 - 07/01/11 02:30 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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....take 45 minutes and watch this National Geographic documentary.

BTW, it's only 11 minutes \(thumbs u
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#4906988 - 07/01/11 02:35 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: MR-SigS]
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....take 45 minutes and watch this National Geographic documentary.

BTW, it's only 11 minutes \(thumbs u


I thought you were commenting on the latest video \:D . Yeah watch the first I posted, it reference the Patterson film.
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#4907002 - 07/01/11 02:40 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: MR-SigS]
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 Originally Posted By: Darth Ominus
It's always been commented on that bones are never found. Elephants have been known to collect and gather bones of their dead in one location, so I suppose it's not unthinkable for a higher primate to do the same.


Or bury their dead?

Either way a dead body would not last long in the wet environment of a rainforest. Decomposition and scavengers would likely make short work of a body. Plus the areas where the creatures live if they exist are huge!

You dont realy have a sense of how large and densely forested the pacific northwest is unless you have lived there, or visited the region.
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Oh, I sure do. Just a stones throw from my front door.


\(thumbs u
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Too bad this didn't happen. I woulda voted for them...



Too much testosterone between the two.

It would have never worked. hm
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#4908115 - 07/01/11 11:03 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Too bad this didn't happen. I woulda voted for them...



Too much testosterone between the two.

It would have never worked. hm

Which one's which?
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 Originally Posted By: bronzilla
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It's always been commented on that bones are never found. Elephants have been known to collect and gather bones of their dead in one location, so I suppose it's not unthinkable for a higher primate to do the same.


Or bury their dead?

Either way a dead body would not last long in the wet environment of a rainforest. Decomposition and scavengers would likely make short work of a body. Plus the areas where the creatures live if they exist are huge!

You dont realy have a sense of how large and densely forested the pacific northwest is unless you have lived there, or visited the region.


I could vouch for that. I drove from California to Alaska about 25 years ago and once I hit Canada each town was about 3 hours away from each other. I passed the scariest looking wolf I have ever seen driving through there around 2 in the morning. He was large and full of mange and definitely wasn't afraid of my car as he stood there and glared at me with his blood red eyes. It still gives me the willies thinking about it. \:\)
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Bronzie...you watch Finding Bigfoot on the Animal Planet channel?

They've been showing a marathon the last couple of days. Pretty interesting.
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Bronzie...you watch Finding Bigfoot on the Animal Planet channel?

They've been showing a marathon the last couple of days. Pretty interesting.
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#5569740 - 04/02/12 12:26 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Any expedition in the Buffalo National River area that charges a fee requires a permit from the federal government.

That includes expeditions to find Bigfoot.

That was the message two National Parks Service rangers had for Matt Pruitt when they found him and 31 other Sasquatch seekers at the Steel Creek campground near Ponca on Feb. 24.

Pruitt explained that he was leading an expedition for The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, which has 24 other expeditions planned this year in the United States and Canada.

The participants in Pruitt's Arkansas expedition had paid between $300 and $500 apiece to search for Sasquatch, according to a National Parks Service incident report from Chief Ranger Karen Bradford. That basically made Pruitt a "concessionaire," similar to those who rent canoes or operate other businesses in the park, Bradford said.

The rangers, Billy Bell and Ben Henthorne, cited Pruitt for "engaging in a business without a permit or written agreement," the report stated.

Pruitt said he paid the $525 fine online Friday.

"I think it was a fairly innocent mistake," he said. "At first they were very concerned that we were filming, that we were trying to get away with commercial filming without a permit. Once those concerns were satiated, there were other concerns."

Matt Moneymaker, founder and director of The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, has a show on the Animal Planet television network called Finding Bigfoot. But none of the cast from the show participated in the Arkansas expedition, and no video cameras were taken on the expedition, Pruitt said.

Bradford said she was concerned about the park's environment.

"We're not in this to make a lot of money, but we are in this to protect our resources," she said. "If he's got people running around in the park, who knows what they're doing looking for this elusive creature."

Normally, the group would have been asked to leave the park, but since some had traveled from far away to look for Bigfoot, the park rangers let them stay, Bradford said.


Pruitt tells the Arkansas *spoon*-Gazette it was an innocent mistake and that he paid his fine last week.

"There was this kid, it was his birthday present to come and look," she said.

Seventeen participants on the trip paid a total of $3,650, which went to the organization, said Pruitt, who said he was paid half that amount, or $1,825, to lead the expedition.

"I lost money on that particular expedition," he said.

Pruitt said he will check with rangers before leading another Bigfoot expedition on National Parks Service land, which is under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

Fees for permits vary depending on use, Bradford said, but Pruitt probably wouldn't have been granted a permit to lead a Bigfoot hunting expedition in the Buffalo National River area anyway.

"It's highly unlikely that we would have issued a permit to do that," she said.

According to the Buffalo National River website, special use permits must be obtained for groups of 26 people or more. Those permits normally cost $150.

"I am not angry in the least," said Pruitt. "I don't feel mistreated by the Parks Service. ... It was my neglect."

Other than the fine, Pruitt said things went well during the Arkansas expedition. Pruitt said he has conducted Bigfoot expeditions in 18 states, and he'd rank Arkansas in the top three for Sasquatch activity.

"There were certainly things that happened that convinced me that there are Sasquatches in the Buffalo River area," said Pruitt. "We definitely heard sounds that were indicative of Sasquatch. Characteristic vocalizations. Very compelling observations."

Pruitt was using a thermal imaging device, which is used for night vision, and for the first time, he said, he saw what may have been a Sasquatch.
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#5589900 - 04/10/12 12:40 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Animal Planet's 'Finding Bigfoot' cast hunting for Sasquatch in Gladwin State Forest, Houghton Lake, West Branch
Published: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 11:26 AM
By Lindsay Knake | lknake@mlive.com

GLADWIN, MI — The cast of "Finding Bigfoot" are seeking the mysterious and likely mythical Sasquatch in mid-Michigan.

The popular Animal Planet show is filming Gladwin State Forest Area and areas around Houghton Lake and West Branch through Wednesday.

Cliff Barackman, Matt Moneymaker, Ranae Holland and James "Bobo" Fray visit forests, swamps and mountains throughout North America seeking the giant ape. The show is in its third season and had not previously visited Michigan.

“There’s been numerous sightings in Northern Michigan. It’s really exciting that we’re going to be doing some investigations," Josh Jurgess, a production assistant for the show, told the Ogemaw County Herald.

The expedition began April 5 in Houghton Lake town hall, where witnesses shared stories about their Bigfoot sightings.

Cast members traveled on horseback, while helicopter with a mounted camera followed the Sasquatch seekers, the Morning Sun reported.

"Finding Bigfoot" airs on Animal Planet on Sundays at 10 p.m.
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#5590015 - 04/10/12 01:36 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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#5590078 - 04/10/12 02:00 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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did you watch the 'ancient aliens' ep about aliens and bigfoot on H2? pretty interesting.
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#5590171 - 04/10/12 02:34 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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#5609899 - 04/18/12 01:08 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: supapimp]
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#5609940 - 04/18/12 01:27 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: supapimp]
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Thanks for posting those. A few of them are new to me, Im looking forward to watching them all. The first one the Bluff Creek sighting I noticed hadnt any analysis included. For in depth analysis on that particular video see the first video I posted in this thread, Pre-Fuelman (weenie comment)
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#5911066 - 08/08/12 06:52 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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We have been having lots of debate on exactly what this is over at Above Top Secret, its an intriguing pic:
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/08/06/trail-cam-alberta-snaps-surprisingly-clear-image-of-bigfoot/

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#5911111 - 08/08/12 07:12 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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We have been having lots of debate on exactly what this is over at Above Top Secret, its an intriguing pic:
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/08/06/trail-cam-alberta-snaps-surprisingly-clear-image-of-bigfoot/



You can see a bear nose in the middle center bottom of the image. Mind you, it's in a strange position (and mostly likely a cub next to it) but the nose is quite clear.
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#5911377 - 08/08/12 08:43 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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That docu was very well done. Not sure of this has been brought up, but if sasquatched existed, but went extinct? Anyway, its one of those stories that could go either way.
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That docu was very well done. Not sure of this has been brought up, but if sasquatched existed, but went extinct? Anyway, its one of those stories that could go either way.
Yeah, that's been my thought for some time.

Some sort of large hominid whose existence overlapped with man but is no longer around.
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That docu was very well done. Not sure of this has been brought up, but if sasquatched existed, but went extinct? Anyway, its one of those stories that could go either way.
Yeah, that's been my thought for some time.

Some sort of large hominid whose existence overlapped with man but is no longer around.




Even Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon left traces of existence, where is the Squatchi evidence?
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That docu was very well done. Not sure of this has been brought up, but if sasquatched existed, but went extinct? Anyway, its one of those stories that could go either way.
Yeah, that's been my thought for some time.

Some sort of large hominid whose existence overlapped with man but is no longer around.




Even Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon left traces of existence, where is the Squatchi evidence?
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#5912574 - 08/09/12 10:43 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Troll King]
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We have been having lots of debate on exactly what this is over at Above Top Secret, its an intriguing pic:
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/08/06/trail-cam-alberta-snaps-surprisingly-clear-image-of-bigfoot/



You can see a bear nose in the middle center bottom of the image. Mind you, it's in a strange position (and mostly likely a cub next to it) but the nose is quite clear.


You're analysis of the photo mirrors what some others are saying (not all) a mama bear and cub with the mama bears foraging for grubs nose in the ground and but in the air.
That may be exactly what it is, but the fur length, and the musculature of the body does not seem to match a bear. The "butt" is too pointy and the "hind leg" does not seem right compared to what I know of a bears anatomy. Plus, where are the forlegs? And the snout you said you see, I dont see it. \(shrug\)

All in all it is a cool pic and not conclusive but I figured you dorks would like it.
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#5912603 - 08/09/12 10:56 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: WoodenJefferson]
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That docu was very well done. Not sure of this has been brought up, but if sasquatched existed, but went extinct? Anyway, its one of those stories that could go either way.
Yeah, that's been my thought for some time.

Some sort of large hominid whose existence overlapped with man but is no longer around.




Even Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon left traces of existence, where is the Squatchi evidence?


Gigantopithecus was an early hominid that is said to have likely died off 100,000 years ago. He was a huge upright walking ape over 9 feet tall and around 600 pounds. Some theorize that he actually never went extinct and this is what we are seeing when Squatch reports come in.

The only fossils found of this beast are some molars and a jawbone or two. From those limited fossils Scientist's have put Gicantopithecus on the record as being a factual once living animal.

Sometimes the fossil record can be pretty sparce.
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#5912658 - 08/09/12 11:27 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Gigantopithecus was an early hominid that is said to have likely died off 100,000 years ago. He was a huge upright walking ape over 9 feet tall and around 600 pounds. Some theorize that he actually never went extinct and this is what we are seeing when Squatch reports come in.

The only fossils found of this beast are some molars and a jawbone or two. From those limited fossils Scientist's have put Gicantopithecus on the record as being a factual once living animal.

Sometimes Almost always the fossil record can be pretty sparce.


Fixed. 99.9999999999999999999999999% of species who have gone extinct have left no traces we've been able to find. If evolution is correct, then there should be a huge number of intermediate steps from early mammals to modern man, but we've barely found any except a few of the more recent ones (Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, etc).
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Gigantopithecus was an early hominid that is said to have likely died off 100,000 years ago. He was a huge upright walking ape over 9 feet tall and around 600 pounds. Some theorize that he actually never went extinct and this is what we are seeing when Squatch reports come in.

The only fossils found of this beast are some molars and a jawbone or two. From those limited fossils Scientist's have put Gicantopithecus on the record as being a factual once living animal.

Sometimes Almost always the fossil record can be pretty sparce.


Fixed. 99.9999999999999999999999999% of species who have gone extinct have left no traces we've been able to find. If evolution is correct, then there should be a huge number of intermediate steps from early mammals to modern man, but we've barely found any except a few of the more recent ones (Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon, etc).


Good fix, and welcomed. \(thumbs u
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We have been having lots of debate on exactly what this is over at Above Top Secret, its an intriguing pic:
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/08/06/trail-cam-alberta-snaps-surprisingly-clear-image-of-bigfoot/



You can see a bear nose in the middle center bottom of the image. Mind you, it's in a strange position (and mostly likely a cub next to it) but the nose is quite clear.


You're analysis of the photo mirrors what some others are saying (not all) a mama bear and cub with the mama bears foraging for grubs nose in the ground and but in the air.
That may be exactly what it is, but the fur length, and the musculature of the body does not seem to match a bear. The "butt" is too pointy and the "hind leg" does not seem right compared to what I know of a bears anatomy. Plus, where are the forlegs? And the snout you said you see, I dont see it. \(shrug\)

All in all it is a cool pic and not conclusive but I figured you dorks would like it.


The snout is there.

Look at the "v" area between the mom and cub (or arm and knee of the animal if you prefer). Just to the left of that is the glow of an eye and down from there is the snout. You can make out the left ear as well.

Interesting photo. I'm very open to the possibility of the existence of some unkown specie(s) called Sasquatch, but this is a bear with mange and her cub.
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Also, notice how the sun falls right in front of the animal, and how it's mostly in shadow. That's why the contrast is low and it's hard to make out its head facing you ducked down like it is.
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Just watched a few of these and I am wondering how the footage of the "Georgia Backyard" siting made this collection. The kid narrating the footage does not sound believable at all. It sounds like a setup that they staged. Can't believe that he yells, "hey bigfoot".


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We have been having lots of debate on exactly what this is over at Above Top Secret, its an intriguing pic:
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/08/06/trail-cam-alberta-snaps-surprisingly-clear-image-of-bigfoot/



You can see a bear nose in the middle center bottom of the image. Mind you, it's in a strange position (and mostly likely a cub next to it) but the nose is quite clear.


You're analysis of the photo mirrors what some others are saying (not all) a mama bear and cub with the mama bears foraging for grubs nose in the ground and but in the air.
That may be exactly what it is, but the fur length, and the musculature of the body does not seem to match a bear. The "butt" is too pointy and the "hind leg" does not seem right compared to what I know of a bears anatomy. Plus, where are the forlegs? And the snout you said you see, I dont see it. \(shrug\)

All in all it is a cool pic and not conclusive but I figured you dorks would like it.


The snout is there.

Look at the "v" area between the mom and cub (or arm and knee of the animal if you prefer). Just to the left of that is the glow of an eye and down from there is the snout. You can make out the left ear as well.

Interesting photo. I'm very open to the possibility of the existence of some unkown specie(s) called Sasquatch, but this is a bear with mange and her cub.


Honestly, how is there even any debate on this? Throw the pic in photoshop and increase the brightness and the bear's face is quite clear. Takes 20 seconds.

I love some cryptozoology as much as the next guy, but come on.
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Dude, TMI. And maybe it's time to consider doing a little manscaping.
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Dude, TMI. And maybe it's time to consider doing a little manscaping.


That time has long since passed. Manscaping is for porn stars or pansies , anyway.
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Manscaping is for porn stars or pansies , anyway.


I don't consider myself a pansy for wanting my girlfriend to womanscape, which means it's only fair that I manscape...mouthfuls of short n' curlies aren't fun to give OR receive.
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I had a girlfriend who gave my willy the pet name of Sasquatch. She'd like to pretend to set Sasquatch free from it's denim prison. ;\)


Unbeknown to you, she was actually referring to it as "Son of Sasquatch" or SOS
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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.

A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.
A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.
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#6013899 - 09/18/12 04:10 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PEP]
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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.
A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.


Or depending on your view, a new species to wipe out man.
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This new species was discovered in 2010 less than 300 expected to be still living. This little fella sadly was promptly eaten by the locals upon discoverey.
Sneezing Monkeys of Mynamar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cambridgeshire/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9132000/9132410.stm


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Priapism, clearly not an issue here.
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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.
A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.


True that. Sad when you think about all the hundreds of animal species that go extinct each year. Many live their lives and die off without us even knowing they existed.
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A new primate species found recently:
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.


Or depending on your view, a new species to wipe out man.

I just saw the movie Contagion last night. \(thumbs u

I only saw it from the middle of the movie, did Gwenyth have a fling with some dude in Chicago from her flight back from Asia?
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This new species was discovered in 2010 less than 300 expected to be still living. This little fella sadly was promptly eaten by the locals upon discoverey.
Sneezing Monkeys of Mynamar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cambridgeshire/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9132000/9132410.stm




Eating other primates has the potential for some very bad effects and illness.
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This new species was discovered in 2010 less than 300 expected to be still living. This little fella sadly was promptly eaten by the locals upon discoverey.
Sneezing Monkeys of Mynamar

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cambridgeshire/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_9132000/9132410.stm




Eating other primates has the potential for some very bad effects and illness.


Especially for the Primate eaten.
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Priapism, clearly not an issue here.


At least he went out with the right commentary

(Flipping the bird with his left hand)

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#6015518 - 09/19/12 09:28 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: ciorac]
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Priapism, clearly not an issue here.


At least he went out with the right commentary

(Flipping the bird with his left hand)


You have quite an eye, Sir. Quite an eye. Did they eat the nose first?
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I gotta ask. What do you think would happen if the cornered a real Sasquatch family, in a remote area, that was due to be developed by some wealthy industrialist. Actually, let me simplify that, what would happen to all the Sasquatch, if they were discovered in a remote area? Would we let them be and just film them and study their habits, or try and capture them? Would they end up in a zoo? Would the Paparazzi move in? Would it end well? Ask yourself that. Would it end well? Would we give them the land in perpetuity and then a few years later discover a rich vein of gold or that oceans of oil lie underneath there home and....well you the rest.

I gotta tell you. This is another one of those legends that I wanna believe, but I don't want to find out how badly we'd screw it up if it actually happened, because I think that all of these critters would end up in a Zoo somewhere if not one in the Koch brothers den, or Jay Leno's garage.
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#6015719 - 09/19/12 11:06 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Black Hand]
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I gotta ask. What do you think would happen if the cornered a real Sasquatch family, in a remote area, that was due to be developed by some wealthy industrialist. Actually, let me simplify that, what would happen to all the Sasquatch, if they were discovered in a remote area? Would we let them be and just film them and study their habits, or try and capture them? Would they end up in a zoo? Would the Paparazzi move in? Would it end well? Ask yourself that. Would it end well? Would we give them the land in perpetuity and then a few years later discover a rich vein of gold or that oceans of oil lie underneath there home and....well you the rest.

I gotta tell you. This is another one of those legends that I wanna believe, but I don't want to find out how badly we'd screw it up if it actually happened, because I think that all of these critters would end up in a Zoo somewhere if not one in the Koch brothers den, or Jay Leno's garage.


If there is a large primate still undiscovered out there it would have to be extremally bright to have remained hidden this long. All things considered and going by the eyewitness accounts the animal is pretty reclusive and does everything it can to get away and hide once it is seen. But it is also teritorial and will like other primates toss sticks and rocks while hidden to attempt to intimidate those invading its space.

I would hope that if these are finally discovered that we act responsibly in its study. I cant imagine an Animal this bright doing well caged.
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#6017470 - 09/19/12 09:47 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PEP]
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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.
A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.


It does make you want to go on a hunting expedition. To kill a newly found species, awesome!
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#6017521 - 09/19/12 10:17 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: mdean2437]
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Amazing there are still species out there waiting to be discovered.
A new primate species found recently:
Nairobi, Kenya (CNN) -- Scientists are claiming they have discovered a new species of monkey living in the remote forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo -- an animal well-known to local hunters but until now, unknown to the outside world.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/dr-congo-new-monkey/index.html?hpt=hp_c3


Or depending on your view, a new species for man to wipe out.


It does make you want to go on a hunting expedition. To kill a newly found species, awesome!


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#6079192 - 10/16/12 10:31 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Troll King]
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MSN Science section this morning:



Bigfoot research gets lift from stealth airship

Private craft will make nighttime flyovers of alleged creature's 'hotspots'

Past expeditions to find conclusive evidence for the existence of Bigfoot have at least two things in common: They were unsuccessful, and they were ground-based.

That's why the Falcon Project will make history regardless of whether it achieves its goal of capturing "clear, steady film evidence of a Hominoid in its natural habitat."

Using a 45-foot-long, camera-mounted, remote-controlled airship, project founder William Barnes plans to work with a team that includes one scientist to conduct nighttime flyovers of reported Bigfoot hotspots around the United States.


Read more:
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#6079981 - 10/16/12 05:03 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: The Troll King]
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Want to Shoot Bigfoot? It's Legal in Texas


Anyone seeking ultimate proof of the existence of Bigfoot should head south. In Texas, it is legal to shoot and kill this legendary giant ape, known in other parts of the world as Sasquatch or Yeti, which has never been discovered.

According to an official with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission, Bigfoot isn't listed as an endangered species, so you're free to kill as many as you want.

"If the Commission does not specifically list an indigenous, nongame species, then the species is considered nonprotected nongame wildlife,"

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http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2429-shooting-bigfoot-legal-texas.html
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#6241406 - 12/20/12 05:20 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Holy *spoon*!!! How did I miss this?

Ancient Aliens, UFO,s and BIGFOOT!!!

This is frigging orgasmic!!!!


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#6277203 - 01/04/13 04:11 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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I've never seen a Bigfoot, but years ago when driving around Canada in the Pacific Northwest, late at night, away from Vancouver, I could almost see how an animal like this might still exist.
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#6909982 - 08/01/13 06:16 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: ucleben]
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New video footage of a mystery figure walking through the Canadian wilderness has sparked excitement among Bigfoot believers.

The 27-second clip shows a large ape-like creature, apparently covered in dark hair, making its way across a forest hilltop before disappearing out of sight.

It was shot by a couple hiking in the remote mountains of Mission, British Columbia, and uploaded onto YouTube on July 24.

They were taking photos of the stunning scenery when they spotted the strange creature emerging close to a pine tree in the distance.
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#6910026 - 08/01/13 06:25 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PEP]
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Interesting. It looks pretty massive in girth.

In a similar vein the Sy Fy Channel has a new series starring one of my favorite open minded thinkers, Joe Rogan. Its called "Joe Rogan questions everything". He and Duncan Trussel explored Sasquatch in the first episode.

The series looks to be a good one.
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#6910084 - 08/01/13 06:39 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Interesting. It looks pretty massive in girth.

In a similar vein the Sy Fy Channel has a new series starring one of my favorite open minded thinkers, Joe Rogan. Its called "Joe Rogan questions everything". He and Duncan Trussel explored Sasquatch in the first episode.

The series looks to be a good one.

I saw that episode, it was interesting.
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#6910096 - 08/01/13 06:44 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PEP]
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Interesting. It looks pretty massive in girth.

In a similar vein the Sy Fy Channel has a new series starring one of my favorite open minded thinkers, Joe Rogan. Its called "Joe Rogan questions everything". He and Duncan Trussel explored Sasquatch in the first episode.

The series looks to be a good one.

I saw that episode, it was interesting.


Last nights episode was on HARP, I have it DVRd
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#6910115 - 08/01/13 06:47 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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Interesting. It looks pretty massive in girth.

In a similar vein the Sy Fy Channel has a new series starring one of my favorite open minded thinkers, Joe Rogan. Its called "Joe Rogan questions everything". He and Duncan Trussel explored Sasquatch in the first episode.

The series looks to be a good one.

I saw that episode, it was interesting.


Last nights episode was on HARP, I have it DVRd


What is that? I didnt catch it, will have to look it up.
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#6910950 - 08/01/13 10:18 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: Forbush-Man]
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Hey, now. I have seen him with a sign shilling sandwiches for a deli.


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#6911132 - 08/01/13 11:10 PM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: bronzilla]
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http://www.bfro.net/gdb/show_FAQ.asp?id=415

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One problem with any population estimate, even if it is only a theoretical parameter, is that it causes many people to visualize one big herd in one valley representing the entire population. Not everyone can conceive of a four-digit population scattered across a big continent, and thus being so widely scattered that they might never live in groups of more than three or four individuals. One must have a mathematical sense to understand that a few thousand elusive, nocturnal, nomadic individuals that are spread out among millions of square miles would make for a very rare species indeed.

In the past when all the objective and subjective considerations have been juggled to come up with upper and lower parameters for a population size, those parameters have usually fallen in the neighborhood of 2000 - 6000.

A figure of 2000-6000 would not exceed the reasonableness threshold, but it is well above the minimum breeding population figure.


So rare that these guys were encountering them nearly every time they went out on their night observations on the television show and that they have frequent reports during their paid outings. . .

I could go on-and-on about the breeding figures. I just can't see how 2000-6000 individuals in 9.3 million square miles of patchy landscape would yield a truly viable breeding population, considering they state themselves they are reclusive and probably only found in small groups of 3-4 individuals. I would think genetic diversity would be low in each pocket of small populations. The populations may be very different (say, individuals in the Pacific Northwest versus Appalachia), but within a population, probably not-so-much. They would have to have a huge territory and be making a lot of noise to find each other. Certainly, there are examples where genetic diversity has been maintained (blue whales), but examples where it has not been preserved exist, as well (cheetahs). I would imagine that sasquatches also have the characteristics consistent with species that were at one time referred to as "K-selected species" (large size, low birth rate, delayed maturity, long-lived, and lots of parental care).

I think shows like Finding Bigfoot actually hurt more than help. Those people drove me nuts. I think people tend to find new species in places that haven't been explored as much, and many of the species listed in this thread were just that. In some cases, they were just very small or exhibited a behavior that didn't warrant discovery.

With as many people looking for a sasquatch in some relatively populated areas and as often as people encounter them, I tend to think we would have one in a zoo by now.
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#7035820 - 09/22/13 11:29 AM Re: Sasquatch doubters, if you only watch one documentary... [Re: PEP]
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