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#464927 - 06/09/04 11:25 AM Q&A Comic Production Flaws
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By request of fantasyfootballbono.
The thread that answers all your questions about comic production or production related flaws.

Post your flaws or production questions in this thread with an example and hopefully we can get them answered.

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#464928 - 06/09/04 11:29 AM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: DiceX]
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First flaw is holes that are common near the bottom edge of some comics.
They are more common on some issues than others, but can be on any printed and bound book/magazine/comic.



Here's the answer...
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Actually the holes are created by a "Former".
Which would be the piece of equipment at the end of the Press that folds and stacks the printed book into raw untrimmed books that are ready to go to the Bindery.
It uses pins on a "Gripper" to grab the edge of the books, thus creating the little holes you see.

These raw books are then taken to the Bindery where they get the cover attached to the body, stapled, and trimmed.
The holes are meant to be trimmed off, but if there is any variance in the "press roll" or "bindery trim", they actually fall inside of the trimmed area.
This is a pretty common problem in some comics.

The reason it may be more common on a particular book, could be...
1) *Equipment* There is an equipment malfunction that may not severe enough to repair until there is downtime in the schedule. Usually as long as the press keeps printing with no major problems, they keep it running.
2) *Quality Control* That particular book could have been printed by a Pressman that had the pinholes too far out of spec. Thus a good portion of the copies were printed with the holes too far into the live area for the Bindery to trim them out without over trimming the book (Making the book shorter).
3) *Quality Control* The Binder could have the trim depth set too shallow on the edge where the pinholes are. As the problem before, it may be noticed and corrected quickly, or could go unnoticed for hours by an unattentive Bindery Operator.

There could be other reasons, but I'd bet the listed ones would be within 99% accuracy.
Bottom line...Common production flaw.





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#464929 - 06/09/04 11:51 AM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: DiceX]
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Next up...Print Creases
Here's what they look like.



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The Printer crease is caused by the paper getting a wrinkle in it as it passes through the press units.
The units smash the wrinkle flat while printing the images onto the paper.
There is no ink on the inside of the wrinkle as this area was "hidden" during the print process.
If you have a cheap book with this type of wrinkle, you can try to unfold this wrinkle area and reveal the white paper area.
Do this only if you want to see what I'm trying to describe.
I wouldn't do this to a high grade or valuable book because you will end up with a white streak running through the cover.





Something I'd like to add to my response...
This is more common with thinner, cheaper paper.
It can also be caused after the ink is printed on the paper as it goes through the rollers at the end of the press.
If there is ink inside of the crease, it was caused after it was inked.
If there is no ink inside of the crease, it was caused before ink hit the page.
More often than not, it will be before inked.

This is very typical on specific books because the cover paper was cheap or very thin (Low basis weight).
Weird War #1 and Defenders #1 come to mind as books with a high percentage of this flaw.
Actually, Greggy pointed out to me that it is very hard to find a Weird War #1 without a Print Crease.
I have looked at many copies since he told me this to find that he is correct.



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#464930 - 06/09/04 12:29 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: DiceX]
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Marvel chipping!!!!

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#464931 - 06/09/04 02:24 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: FFB]
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Marvel Chipping has been blamed on dull blades when the book was trimmed.
I'm skeptical of this because a dull blade would possibly only give a jagged edge, sort of like what you see as a common problem on Amazing Spider-Man #300.

I'd think a more likely possiblity would be poor paper quality that gets flaky on the edges as time and oxygen break down the fibers.
The edges of this particular paper would be more likely to flake.
I could be completely wrong, but I think it's a possiblity.
Borock may have a better soloution this defect because of his experience with looking at so many examples of it.

While I have no way of proving my idea...I'd need to see some solid proof before I believe the dull blade theory.
I have a hard time believing that the bindery blade was dull for 15-20 years.

If it was possible to trace the paper down to the mill, I'd bet the paper on all these chipped books came from the same source.

This is a hard one to answer because it is something that takes time to become evident, and can't be seen immediately.

Who knows...In 20 years when we have Marvel Chipping on all the ASM 300's and Hulk 340's, we may have the question answered.

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#464932 - 06/09/04 03:01 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: DiceX]
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I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinkin about it. But I probably will.

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Crooked, warped squarebound!
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#464933 - 06/09/04 03:18 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: DiceX]
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Spine puckering! on GS and square bound books. . . you da' man Dice!
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#464934 - 06/09/04 03:42 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: greggy]
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Crooked, warped squarebound!




Squarebound books are made the same as stitched books with one exception.
The body pages are grouped into 8 page "sections" and stacked on top of each other.
The stack is stitched (stapled) front to back to hold them together, instead of through the center of the book as on a regular comic.
Then a bead of glue is put into the spine of the cover, and wrapped aroud the body pages.

A constant bead of glue was very hard to maintain, and very often an excess dose of glue would be put on the cover.
When the cover was stuck to the body pages, the spine is ran across a roller to flatten it and give it the square shape, then through another pair of rollers to flatten it out on the front and back covers.
If there was excess glue, it would cause the various defects in question.
Also if the first roller was not set with proper pressure, it would hold the excess glue in places or even across the entire spine, giving the spine lumps or even a curve.

Today's technology keeps tighter controll of glue on squarebound books to almost perfection.
Years ago, comics were created as cheaply as possible, and most times on old antiquated equipment to keep the cost down.
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#464935 - 06/09/04 03:51 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: FFB]
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Miscuts! (Book not cut squarely)






I'll get back on this one with an illustrated explanation.
It may take a while.

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#464936 - 06/09/04 03:52 PM Re: Q&A Comic Production Flaws [Re: divad]
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Spine puckering! on GS and square bound books. . . you da' man Dice!




Answered above in response to Greggy.

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