If there never was a top staple from the time of manufacture on a comic,no staple holes.Would that get a qualified label or be considered a production related flaw and come back a blue label?
I had a copy come back blue 9.8.
Awesome thanx. I have a Detective Comics #359(1st batgirl) without the top staple.
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Adventure Comics #373: there is some kind of printing defect on the back. I say original printing error because it is not rough or wavy (as if tape pull or water). Smooth like the rest of the cover, just not there. You can even see some hints of the colors that should be there.
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#4637076 - 03/01/1108:51 PMRe: Q&A Comic Production Flaws
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definatly a drip, more than likely on the image roller and not the paper. the plates don't touch the paper, they tranfer the ink to the image roller and the image roller makes contact with the actual paper, in this case it appears a solvent was dripped onto the image roller as this cover went through. after a few rotations its back to normal.
as for the chipping, i'd say that the blade plys a role. books are cut perhaps 20-30 at a time and the blade comes down and moves to the right and downward. the WB book shown in this thread also shows the pattern of this as it has left facing edges (the top edge is cut with the right side edge against the cutters right side guide) other cases of chipping seem atributed to a "dull" blade pulling the edge out, because its not sharp enough to cut right through
I agree, the majority of MC occurs along the right edge of the book where there is no overflash, so I don't know how much water this theory holds. There's also the possibility the ink layer was somewhat brittle, or had other properties that caused the "crack" the led to the chip, like putting fingernail polish on a piece of paper and trying to cut it with a scissors... <img src="http://boards.collectors-society.com/images//graemlins/893scratchchin-thumb.gif" alt="" />
I can't answer for the ink used in the 60's, but today's ink is very pliable. It doesn't set up hard like nail polish. But I know today's ink is quite different than what was printed years ago.
It's possible this could have contributed to the chipping problem, but I have no way to prove it one way or the other.
This does sound reasonable. I know several people who were buying early Marvels off the stands and they say that chipped copies WERE on the rack. I'm going to post an example of what is called "pre Marvel " chipping by some, where the chipping is outlined on the cover but is still not gone. There is another example in KorvacSaga's sales thread.....a JIM 62. These are books where a break is present in the ink on the front cover but it doesn't show evidence of breaking or chipping on the inside cover. GOD BLESS...
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P.S. I've never seen this on a book post "63. I have noticed rough cut (jagged) right edges on many books into 1966, although this seems to be something different from the chipping....although still an example of poor QA from the time period.
I agree, the majority of MC occurs along the right edge of the book where there is no overflash, so I don't know how much water this theory holds. There's also the possibility the ink layer was somewhat brittle, or had other properties that caused the "crack" the led to the chip, like putting fingernail polish on a piece of paper and trying to cut it with a scissors... <img src="http://boards.collectors-society.com/images//graemlins/893scratchchin-thumb.gif" alt="" />
I can't answer for the ink used in the 60's, but today's ink is very pliable. It doesn't set up hard like nail polish. But I know today's ink is quite different than what was printed years ago.
It's possible this could have contributed to the chipping problem, but I have no way to prove it one way or the other.
This does sound reasonable. I know several people who were buying early Marvels off the stands and they say that chipped copies WERE on the rack. I'm going to post an example of what is called "pre Marvel " chipping by some, where the chipping is outlined on the cover but is still not gone. There is another example in KorvacSaga's sales thread.....a JIM 62. These are books where a break is present in the ink on the front cover but it doesn't show evidence of breaking or chipping on the inside cover. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
P.S. I've never seen this on a book post "63. I have noticed rough cut (jagged) right edges on many books into 1966, although this seems to be something different from the chipping....although still an example of poor QA from the time period.
Here's the JIM 62. I was thinking about what you said about white cover books and chipping. Chipping is common on FF 1 , but I can't recall white books having the "pre-marvel" tears that are exhibited on these two pre heros and many others from the time period. Maybe the darker inks add enough thickness to the cover stock to prevent full scale chipping in some cases, as it appears to do on these two examples. When I worked at a few print shops in the 80's, our publications were sheared in thick stacks for the final cut. Is this how it is with comics also? GOD BLESS...
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Given more experience with Marvel Chipping through the last few years, I've since changed my opinion. I believe it to be a problem when the books were trimmed by either dull blades or by some method they were using during this period in time.
I think it's entirely possible they were using a particular piece of equipment for a portion of the print runs during the era known for Marvel Chipping. This piece of equipment would probably have been an older piece that was being phased out and not worth the expense to repair, and was used to satisfy production as needed. My guess is that the point at which the chipping stopped is when that piece of equipment finally bit the bullet.
Anyway, those are my current thoughts on the whole topic.
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Originally Posted By: junkdrawer16000
definatly a drip, more than likely on the image roller and not the paper. the plates don't touch the paper, they tranfer the ink to the image roller and the image roller makes contact with the actual paper, in this case it appears a solvent was dripped onto the image roller as this cover went through. after a few rotations its back to normal.
In this case it was a drip on the plate because Adventure 373 was printed on a letter press. The plate is in reverse image and prints directly to the paper. There were no rollers or blankets to transfer ink to the paper in this particular case.
definatly a drip, more than likely on the image roller and not the paper. the plates don't touch the paper, they tranfer the ink to the image roller and the image roller makes contact with the actual paper, in this case it appears a solvent was dripped onto the image roller as this cover went through. after a few rotations its back to normal.
In this case it was a drip on the plate because Adventure 373 was printed on a letter press. The plate is in reverse image and prints directly to the paper. There were no rollers or blankets to transfer ink to the paper in this particular case.
