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Originally Posted By: cheetah
I think you ought to go ahead and do the research. I'm sure there are hundreds of other artists and writers that you could compare.
I appreciate what you are saying (and have said in the past whenever discussing registry points). But I'd love to help break you out of your Marvel Bronze Age focus even for a short while, and introduce you to Copper Age independents. You may like some of the titles/creative teams/characters. You'd also find out it's not so easy to compare mass-produced Big Two books to this period.
But in no way do I mean your books mean less than my books. Never the intent. It's just a different category of collecting than Marvel or DC books. And many of these books are tough to track down easily in 9.4-9.8, or else the majority of collectors would have them already.
Dark Horse Presents has some of the better long-running material worth reading. I would also recommend this run to anyone trying to understand Copper Age independents, and why so many get excited over tracking these down.
Lol. My earliest dated book is 1937 and my latest book came out last week. I've got over 25,000 raw books to go along with my 5,000 slabs. I have so many independent books I wouldn't even want to try to count. Just because I haven't slabbed them doesn't mean I don't have them.
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Well, then maybe you need to do a little more research on their scarcity and impact. I was in your situation a few years back, with over 37,000 comics ranging from 1919 (Bringing Up Father 2, 3) all the way to early Modern Age books. After reevaluating my focus once returning to comics, Copper Age independents was an easy fit for me. Blew out all the other books for room and funds, and never looked back.
Comparing books that have a print run that are sub-10,000 to large-scale produced titles is one difference. But these could also be considered a category unto themselves because many had content never produced before (and with many of these B&W's, we wish they hadn't been produced).
But sometimes it is a situation of "agreeing to disagree," and enjoying our collecting focus.
Registered: 12/08/07
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Originally Posted By: Bosco685
Hi Gemma.
So by this week, we should now have two graded copies of Primer #6 (Comico Comics) in the census. It has taken four years to find two copies even worth submitting, these have become so difficult to track down in high grade.
Since this is Chuck Dixon's first professional comic work long before his fantastic 1992-1999 extensive run on Detective Comics, it has more significance than most would realize. But in-between the two series, he also worked on Airboy, Batgirl, J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit, Moon Knight, Nightwing, Punisher, and Robin. He also found some time to work on Birds of Prey, Catwoman, Green Arrow, Team 7, and Prophet. And in the near-term, he is working on Dynamite's Man With No Name series and IDW's G.I. Joe series. One of the clear workhorses of the comic industry!
I add all that detail so if anyone is not aware of the critical nature of this book, they should be now. And yes, Primer #6 also contains the 1st appearance of a semi-minor character, Evangeline.
I'd like to recommend this book be assigned 600 points for a 9.8 Universal, although it will be interesting if we ever see a copy at this level. And with Primer #2 having 1,040 points due to the popular 1st appearance of Grendel and 285 copies in the census, I don't think it is an unreasonable request on an extremely tough book with a count of two.
By the way, I'm not even sure if the label will state "1st professional work of Chuck Dixon" since none have ever been submitted before.
Thanks for your consideration.
Nick
So, before the Kopper Kaiser jumped in with his jackboots and stomped all over the fun ( ), I was trying to publically lock down a points recommendation for this book.
Taking into consideration the content, scarcity, and demand (though not as high in any way as a Primer #2), what would the recommendation be?
And it has a lot more going for it than Primer #1, so that comparison I have an issue with. Evangeline was one of those characters that had a much longer moment in the spotlight than anything that came out of the first issue. And Chuck Dixon - though no Frank Miller - has contributed to many areas of the comic industry across DC, Marvel, and independent titles.
I really think it will be extremely rare that we see a 9.8, which is why I recommended 600 points. And I've been searching for four years before I found my 9.6 and 9.4 copies, though I am not a reseller buying up huge amounts of collections leading to the feeling this is in the "common" category. I doubt this, as I know of one other huge Copper Age reseller/collector that was bragging to me he had finally found his first high-grade copy. And this fellow has hundreds of long boxes filled with Copper Age.
Can it be found in low-grade? You bet - Mile High and Mycomicshop have been selling VG to Fine copies for months. High-grade (9.4 and above), you rarely find this book at that grade.
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Originally Posted By: mschmidt
The Kopper Kaiser
My vote's for 80 points in 9.8 (and to bump the Primer #1 in 9.8 down to 60 points).
Now that I can agree to.
DISCLAIMER: The day Hulk 181 9.8 is worth 150 points, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 9.8 is worth 200 points, and Wolverine Limited Series 1 9.8 is worth a well-deserved 20 points.
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"I buy a lot of Copper Age independents as well and have to admit finding some of these low-distribution books in high grade is tough."
_________________________ Why is the media not paying attention to FUKUSHIMA!? Have they really not learned the horrible lesson of Chernobyl?! Peoples lives are at stake!
), I was trying to publically lock down a points recommendation for this book.
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Beware the Kaiser. He wanders from the Hinterland to stomp Copper Age joy from the registry.
Wow, that sounds like some form of comic book boogie man. 
