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#4170973 - 07/30/10 05:53 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Architecht]
Zo444 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 383
Loc: NY, NY
IE 7
I am using a very fast fiber optics (FIOS) internet connection.
Ran a speakeasy.net speed test 17.68 Mbs download, 21 Mbs upload.

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#4170974 - 07/30/10 05:55 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Zo444]
Zo444 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 383
Loc: NY, NY
BTW - I am fine with IE 7.0 on all applications I use. I will not change my browser just for this.

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#4171196 - 07/30/10 10:09 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Zo444]
Scott_Schechter Administrator Offline
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Registered: 02/06/05
Posts: 506
Hi Zo444:

I just want to comment publicly on the browser issue because this was a major point of consideration during the site development. Everything that we have implemented is fully supported in Internet Explorer 7 (IE7), but, and this is a big "BUT," performance of the site will be much better using Internet Explorer 8 (IE8).

I am not a tech guy so the details were a bit lost on me. For those interested, IE8 has a new -script engine that makes web pages based on JavaScript or Asynchronous JavaScript and XML (AJAX) much faster than in previous versions. Our website new uses a lot of these scripts.

When planning the redesign, we chose the most powerful and best controls that we could. That was the top priority. The language and controls on the new Collectors Society site are without question the best tools available. There was a problem, though. They were slower on IE7. From my point of view, I didn't want to make the website slow for anybody.

To analyze the issue, we looked at web browser usage figures. IE7 was released in 2006 and currently accounts for 14% of all web browsers. IE8 was released in 2009 and accounts for 28% of web browsers. The percentage of Collectors Society users is higher for both IE7 and IE8 than the global average, but the number of Collectors Society members using IE7 is decreasing every month.

I think that itís hugely obnoxious and invasive to ask someone to update their web browser just to use our website. But at the same time, internet technology is rapidly changing and improving, so we were caught. The software code that we use of course conforms to the current best practices of the industry. Itís simply does not perform optimally on a four-year-old web browser. It works fine, but it is just not as fast as it can be. The great advantage is that an upgrade to IE8 will similarly improve performance on millions of other websites as well.

I do sincerely hope that this at least explains our reasoning to any users of IE7 who do not have the best experience but are hesitant to upgrade.

Regards,
Scott

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#4171205 - 07/30/10 10:17 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Ohiodimes]
Buddypal Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 37
To follow up on my earlier post, I'm now getting a $0.00 value for almost all older raw coins in lower grades. Probably an easy fix.


Edited by Buddypal (07/30/10 10:18 AM)

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#4171213 - 07/30/10 10:23 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Zo444]
Buddypal Offline
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 37
I want to input my two cents and suggest that NGC go full steam ahead, and not try to rollback any of the changes. It's not surprising there's a few bugs; it would be surprising if there weren't. Once the kinks are worked out, this system will give me lots more control over my collection to the point that I plan to delete the spreadsheet I currently use to track all my coins.

I'm not a computer expert, but I suspect some of the slowness is just everyone inputting coins under the new format. That will probably level out over time.

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#4171214 - 07/30/10 10:23 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Scott_Schechter]
Scott_Schechter Administrator Offline
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Registered: 02/06/05
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P.S. Since you can't run two version of Internet Explorer on one PC, there is a still a good workaround if you don't want to upgrade from IE7.

Download Firefox browser: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/

That way you can have a browser that is super speedy with Collectors Society and keep IE7 for other sites. Just a thought.

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#4171336 - 07/30/10 11:35 AM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Scott_Schechter]
Architecht Administrator Offline

We apologise again for the fault in the moderation. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

It's POSSIBLE that your competitive spirit has displaced your sense of courtesy.

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Registered: 01/25/02
Posts: 6055
Loc: Chicago area

I will add that if you are locked into IE7 for some particular reason, you can marginally improve performance by reducing the displayed rows to 25 and removing excess columns, but fundamentally there's not much we can do to speed up the site in IE7.

I won't presume to have a good handle on your reasons for not upgrading, but it's probably worth knowing that the speed difference is night and day.
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#4171383 - 07/30/10 12:02 PM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Architecht]
Zo444 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 383
Loc: NY, NY
Thanks for the feedback. I will look into the browser issues.

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#4171990 - 07/30/10 05:30 PM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Zo444]
Zo444 Offline
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Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 383
Loc: NY, NY
Upgraded browser. I do not see much difference.

Additional observations:

My old data was moved over in what seems to be a data dump. I have HTML tags in description fields and no sequence for coins as I had them in prior set (by date). Given that data was not imported into fields i cant sort by date, description etc. which means I have to re-do my 300+ coin set from scratch.

User interface is engineer friendly not user friendly. I simply do not see the sequence for the user. I click on image on one of the coins, I get a box checked. Where is my image?? Don't know.
I added a new coin.... can't find it.

My suggestion stands - roll back to old version. Do the quality control/design work offline and relaunch. I have been feeling miserable given that my award winning set has lost the work done with it. I can not view it or edit it.

I ran a software business befpre and know what it is to release a product. This one is not market ready. Good intention, poor execution. Back to the drawing board is my suggestion.

I feel lousy as this took me months to put together and it seems to have been messed up to the point I can not modify, view or sort the set.

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#4172367 - 07/30/10 08:04 PM Re: NGC Registry Coin Manager - "OFFICIAL COMMENTS THREAD" [Re: Zo444]
Tim C Offline
Just got here


Registered: 12/08/05
Posts: 7
The old system was much better.... This new system "stinks" on what you can have for a public desplay. Bring back the signature sets so they can be displayed the way they used to be.

I may have to think about going over to the PCGS "showcase" sets..... This really stinks.

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