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#4118679 - 07/02/10 03:25 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: shadroch]
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#4118711 - 07/02/10 03:38 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: arexcrooke]
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We are a board full of collectors, we know where to look things up, or who to ask.

When I came to this board, I had a few books from a friend that were apparently quite rare. He had asked me to sell them for him.

I did try to look them up, but the only places I knew to look was on Ebay or in an Overstreet guide and- Google, never realized there were other venues, I just was not that sophisticated. The prices were way under the true value in the Overstreet Guide, and there were no sales on Ebay, no hits on Google. I asked a few people, but they had no experience with the titles.

I'm not exactly stupid, but I was not that educated in obscure titles and it just didn't click that there were no comparisons because the items were so rare. I had no experience with rare comics.

I sold them to a "collector" who told me what they were "worth". I accepted their assessment. I found later that the prices I got for my friend, were most probably way under what the true value was.

I if I had a clue, I would have started a thread asking, of course I had no clue, LOL.

In my case, the money did not really affect me, but I felt badly after because my friend could have used the extra cash.

I at least I had SOME clue...I knew a little bit where to look. I've since learned about Heritage, C Link, the human encyclopedias on the board...etc.

A few of you are assuming that the person was lazy. I am looking at it from the viewpoint (and I might be wrong) that this other woman had no clue where to look...and she DID need the money. Taking advantage of her, in my opinion would be unkind.

It might be great for Capitalism, but it would be unkind.

Personally, I probably would have given her $300 and if I sold the books for a lot more, I would have sent her a bonus....but that's just me.


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#4118718 - 07/02/10 03:42 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: skypinkblu]
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 Originally Posted By: skypinkblu
We are a board full of collectors, we know where to look things up, or who to ask.

When I came to this board, I had a few books from a friend that were apparently quite rare. He had asked me to sell them for him.

I did try to look them up, but the only places I knew to look was on Ebay or in an Overstreet guide and- Google, never realized there were other venues, I just was not that sophisticated. The prices were way under the true value in the Overstreet Guide, and there were no sales on Ebay, no hits on Google. I asked a few people, but they had no experience with the titles.

I'm not exactly stupid, but I was not that educated in obscure titles and it just didn't click that there were no comparisons because the items were so rare. I had no experience with rare comics.

I sold them to a "collector" who told me what they were "worth". I accepted their assessment. I found later that the prices I got for my friend, were most probably way under what the true value was.

I if I had a clue, I would have started a thread asking, of course I had no clue, LOL.

In my case, the money did not really affect me, but I felt badly after because my friend could have used the extra cash.

I at least I had SOME clue...I knew a little bit where to look. I've since learned about Heritage, C Link, the human encyclopedias on the board...etc.

A few of you are assuming that the person was lazy. I am looking at it from the viewpoint (and I might be wrong) that this other woman had no clue where to look...and she DID need the money. Taking advantage of her, in my opinion would be unkind.

It might be great for Capitalism, but it would be unkind.

Personally, I probably would have given her $300 and if I sold the books for a lot more, I would have sent her a bonus....but that's just me.



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#4119153 - 07/02/10 09:01 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: BlissComics]
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The angle these discussions seem to take are from the perspective of a re-seller. For instance, the books are being purchased for resale. They are "inventory." And because the books are being viewed as a commodity in that respect, I think it's easier to say, "well throw the lady a few extra bucks because you'll make a nice profit anyway."

So, is it any different if the buyer is not a re-seller... and the book would be for the buyers own collection with no intent for resale anytime soon?

If you saw a grail you could never otherwise afford at a garage sale for $5, and you had zero intent to resell -- it would sit in your collection for decades -- would you inform the seller how much the book is worth and therefore forever lose any chance you ever had of adding the book to your collection?

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#4119172 - 07/02/10 09:09 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: Mr. Zipper]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr. Zipper
The angle these discussions seem to take are from the perspective of a re-seller. For instance, the books are being purchased for resale. They are "inventory." And because the books are being viewed as a commodity in that respect, I think it's easier to say, "well throw the lady a few extra bucks because you'll make a nice profit anyway."

So, is it any different if the buyer is not a re-seller... and the book would be for the buyers own collection with no intent for resale anytime soon?

If you saw a grail you could never otherwise afford at a garage sale for $5, and you had zero intent to resell -- it would sit in your collection for decades -- would you inform the seller how much the book is worth and therefore forever lose any chance you ever had of adding the book to your collection?

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It depends on the value of the book. If it was a $1000 book, I would sure as heck give her more than $5. But that's just me.
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#4122113 - 07/04/10 09:40 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: sckao]
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There are many factors that could be involved that I am unaware of. What is his mental state? How broke is he? How did he get the books? What are you going to do with them after? What is your profit going to be? Negotiating price is OK in almost all cases but if a mentally handicapped person is going to be thrown out of the rooming house because someone wouldn't fork over an extra $200 and there is an Action #1 in there, that someone is truly a son-of-a-spoon.

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#4122226 - 07/04/10 11:28 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: Dale Roberts]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale Roberts
 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: BlissComics
This has probably been discussed on the boards before, but I'm too lazy to go look for previous threads right now. So here's the scenario:

Seller is asking $400 for some comics.
Before seeing the books, in an email I ask, "What's the best price you can do on these?"
Seller says, "$200 for all of them."
So, upon traveling out to see the books, I realize $200 is a great deal and I'm ready to buy the comics.

What would you do? Pay the $200? Pay the original $400 asking price? Split the difference and pay $300? hm


I fail to see how ethics are relevant to this question \(shrug\)

The seller set a price. You haggled & received a lower price. You pay the lower price. End of story.


This is correct. There is nothing unethical about this unless you have deceived her in some way.

If you were getting 100K worth of books, that would be a different story.


That's situational ethics. If it's ethical at $400, why would it be unethical at $100K?
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#4122342 - 07/05/10 01:46 AM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: RockMyAmadeus]
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 Originally Posted By: RockMyAmadeus
 Originally Posted By: Dale Roberts
 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: BlissComics
This has probably been discussed on the boards before, but I'm too lazy to go look for previous threads right now. So here's the scenario:

Seller is asking $400 for some comics.
Before seeing the books, in an email I ask, "What's the best price you can do on these?"
Seller says, "$200 for all of them."
So, upon traveling out to see the books, I realize $200 is a great deal and I'm ready to buy the comics.

What would you do? Pay the $200? Pay the original $400 asking price? Split the difference and pay $300? hm


I fail to see how ethics are relevant to this question \(shrug\)

The seller set a price. You haggled & received a lower price. You pay the lower price. End of story.


This is correct. There is nothing unethical about this unless you have deceived her in some way.

If you were getting 100K worth of books, that would be a different story.


That's situational ethics. If it's ethical at $400, why would it be unethical at $100K?


Because few around here appear to have any ethics?

They'll rag on Chuckles all day long for asking triple GPA, but if they can Sal someone down (sight unseen) for a group of books then that is OKEEDOKEE \(thumbs u
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#4122355 - 07/05/10 02:27 AM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: lizards2]
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 Originally Posted By: lizards2
 Originally Posted By: RockMyAmadeus
 Originally Posted By: Dale Roberts
 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: BlissComics
This has probably been discussed on the boards before, but I'm too lazy to go look for previous threads right now. So here's the scenario:

Seller is asking $400 for some comics.
Before seeing the books, in an email I ask, "What's the best price you can do on these?"
Seller says, "$200 for all of them."
So, upon traveling out to see the books, I realize $200 is a great deal and I'm ready to buy the comics.

What would you do? Pay the $200? Pay the original $400 asking price? Split the difference and pay $300? hm


I fail to see how ethics are relevant to this question \(shrug\)

The seller set a price. You haggled & received a lower price. You pay the lower price. End of story.


This is correct. There is nothing unethical about this unless you have deceived her in some way.

If you were getting 100K worth of books, that would be a different story.


That's situational ethics. If it's ethical at $400, why would it be unethical at $100K?


Because few around here appear to have any ethics?

They'll rag on Chuckles all day long for asking triple GPA, but if they can Sal someone down (sight unseen) for a group of books then that is OKEEDOKEE \(thumbs u


That didn't answer my absolutely rhetorical question at all.

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#4129677 - 07/08/10 09:46 PM Re: Ethics Question ??? [Re: RockMyAmadeus]
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 Originally Posted By: RockMyAmadeus
 Originally Posted By: lizards2
 Originally Posted By: RockMyAmadeus
 Originally Posted By: Dale Roberts
 Originally Posted By: mschmidt
 Originally Posted By: BlissComics
This has probably been discussed on the boards before, but I'm too lazy to go look for previous threads right now. So here's the scenario:

Seller is asking $400 for some comics.
Before seeing the books, in an email I ask, "What's the best price you can do on these?"
Seller says, "$200 for all of them."
So, upon traveling out to see the books, I realize $200 is a great deal and I'm ready to buy the comics.

What would you do? Pay the $200? Pay the original $400 asking price? Split the difference and pay $300? hm


I fail to see how ethics are relevant to this question \(shrug\)

The seller set a price. You haggled & received a lower price. You pay the lower price. End of story.


This is correct. There is nothing unethical about this unless you have deceived her in some way.

If you were getting 100K worth of books, that would be a different story.


That's situational ethics. If it's ethical at $400, why would it be unethical at $100K?


Because few around here appear to have any ethics?

They'll rag on Chuckles all day long for asking triple GPA, but if they can Sal someone down (sight unseen) for a group of books then that is OKEEDOKEE \(thumbs u


That didn't answer my absolutely rhetorical question at all.

\(thumbs u


Its not situational ethics at all. You twisted words to make it fit what you want.

What I said, is that there is nothing wrong with negotiating with someone. $200.00 is fair for a few hundred dollars worth of books. If it were 100K worth of books, then the situation is different, and you should not purchase them for $200 or $400.
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