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#3736181 - 01/23/10 11:30 AM old-time CGC label vs new CGC label?
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Yes, I am back with another newbie question. \:\) Some people have told me to try to buy the old label CGC over the new label CGC because back in the day CGC`s grading was much stricter,for example if I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


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#3736186 - 01/23/10 11:33 AM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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Did you really just "Funny post" your own post?

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#3736195 - 01/23/10 11:35 AM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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Ok ok. JC Superstar. But only because he martyred his ID.

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 Originally Posted By: ComicConnoisseur
I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


Sure, if you press out all the SCS and other damage.

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#3736228 - 01/23/10 12:00 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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 Originally Posted By: ComicConnoisseur
Yes, I am back with another newbie question. \:\) Some people have told me to try to buy the old label CGC over the new label CGC because back in the day CGC`s grading was much stricter,for example if I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


It always falls back to knowing the book in the holder inside out. Some of my own observations (which are limited submissions in comparison to the high volume submitters on these boards):

Old Label

Pro's: Better notations on things like rusty staples and defects not observable from outside cover.

Middle Ground: seen mixed-bag of books that were undergraded and overgraded

Cons: Some inconsistencies on the strictness towards dust shadow - especially towards dust settling along the spine on books that weren't properly stored.

New Label:

Pro's: Better holder/inner well design. Label is sonically sealed inside the inner well to reduce tampering element that existed with older labels.

Middle Ground: consensus is that grading has gotten much stricter, but there are also those who swear by more lenient grading with on-site grading at shows.

Cons: Notations such as rusted staples have been removed from the label. I have found myself having to make more call-ins for graders notes (I just want to point out that the need to call-in for notes in itself isn't really a con since the CGC folks have excellent customer service, but on sales which are a little more time-sensitive, I wasn't able to call-in for notes on weekends, etc.)

Myths: That old label books will grade higher. That new label books are more likely to have been pressed than old label books.

Qualified observations: Most old label books with Off-White to White Pages will more than likely enjoy a page quality bump to White Pages. There is also some empirical evidence that suggest Modern Grade (brown label) books have enjoyed relative success in grade improvement.

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#3736455 - 01/23/10 01:40 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: comicwiz]
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I think there's a chance of that regardless of whether the holder is the older one or the newer one.
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#3736968 - 01/23/10 06:12 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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Actually, CGC went through a period early days when their 9.2s wouldn't get 8.0s if resubmitted today, so be careful.
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#3737075 - 01/23/10 07:10 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: Flaming_Telepath]
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I like the old label text a little more. It also has the not just a number grade, but the letter designation and I like that.

I have a ASM 238 old label that is 8.5 that I know would get a grade bump if I sent it in again. It's nearly perfect from what I can tell.

Not saying they were tighter before. Just happen to notice it with this one book.

I can't say I prefer either as I mostly buy raw when I can anyway. I like to be able to smell my vintage books! lol
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#3737100 - 01/23/10 07:22 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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 Originally Posted By: ComicConnoisseur
Yes, I am back with another newbie question. \:\) Some people have told me to try to buy the old label CGC over the new label CGC because back in the day CGC`s grading was much stricter,for example if I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


ALWAYS buy the book and not the label....a defect you find particularly intolerable may may not have the same effect during CGC's group consensus grading process. I'm not trying to be a *spoon* .....but if it's a 9.6 you're looking for, buy a 9.6 to begin with. Resubmission can easily result in new damage to your book and your old label 9.4 could quickly become a 9.2. Personally, the tightest graded CGC books I've seen were graded during a 2 month period about 8 months ago. Hold out for large scans on EVERY purchase over 100 bucks and call for graders notes on any book that seems overly undergraded....there's probably something that isn't obvious in th scan. GOD BLESS...

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#3737419 - 01/23/10 09:33 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: ComicConnoisseur]
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 Originally Posted By: ComicConnoisseur
Yes, I am back with another newbie question. \:\) Some people have told me to try to buy the old label CGC over the new label CGC because back in the day CGC`s grading was much stricter,for example if I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


And on another note...

Why would you want to do this?

If it's a book for sale, I can possibly understand the logic. However, if it's for your own collection, what is the point? It's still the same book, right? You're happy with it whether it says 2.5 or 9.6 on the label?
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#3737461 - 01/23/10 09:43 PM Re: old-time CGC label vs new CGC label? [Re: Flaming_Telepath]
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 Originally Posted By: Flaming_Telepath
 Originally Posted By: ComicConnoisseur
Yes, I am back with another newbie question. \:\) Some people have told me to try to buy the old label CGC over the new label CGC because back in the day CGC`s grading was much stricter,for example if I buy a old school CGC label at a 9.4, I could then break it open and resubmit and have a good shot at getting a CGC 9.6. Any truth to this line of thought?


And on another note...

Why would you want to do this?

If it's a book for sale, I can possibly understand the logic. However, if it's for your own collection, what is the point? It's still the same book, right? You're happy with it whether it says 2.5 or 9.6 on the label?

I sure hope you`re asking your question rhetorically, otherwise this will be evidence that your mind has finally snapped! lol

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