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#5649647 - 05/03/12 03:22 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Ditch Fahrenheit]
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 Originally Posted By: Shellhead
 Originally Posted By: Povertyrow
 Originally Posted By: Shellhead
 Originally Posted By: Povertyrow
Walls and Shellhead, while you both were fairly new here you both were members when the PL rules got heavily discussed and voted on. This occurred in July 2011.

The discussion took place in the PROBATION DISCUSSIONS thread (which is where these kinds of discussions should be taken. This thread is to actually to discuss specific nominations to the PL).

There was an announcement in July posted in Comics General as well:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubb...rue#Post4932984


Thanks POV.

I'm a team player, so whatever the majority agrees to is fine with me. I just wanted to point out a potential process flow improvement since it seems like there have been recurring problems in this area.

I would imagine that coming up with any consensus is a bit like herding cats, so I apologize if this came across like stirring the pot.

Lastly, I thought this was the "Probation Discussions Thread"?


This IS the right thread. Forgive me. I have been abed the past week with an intestinal infection and my brain ain't working on all 3 cylinders. I shall edit my post to add further shame.


\:D I noticed the subject line had been changed to "PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems" so I thought maybe it had been moved somewhere else. But then I couldn't find it.

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I had noticed that in the past but it still throws me sometimes.
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#5649690 - 05/03/12 03:36 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Ditch Fahrenheit]
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 Originally Posted By: Shellhead
 Originally Posted By: Povertyrow
Walls and Shellhead, while you both were fairly new here you both were members when the PL rules got heavily discussed and voted on. This occurred in July 2011.

The discussion took place in the PROBATION DISCUSSIONS thread (which is where these kinds of discussions should be taken. This thread is to actually to discuss specific nominations to the PL).

There was an announcement in July posted in Comics General as well:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubb...rue#Post4932984


Thanks POV.

I'm a team player, so whatever the majority agrees to is fine with me. I just wanted to point out a potential process flow improvement since it seems like there have been recurring problems in this area.

I would imagine that coming up with any consensus is a bit like herding cats, so I apologize if this came across like stirring the pot.

Lastly, I thought this was the "Probation Discussions Thread"?


Back in 2011 I was still becoming acquainted with the board and I don't think I was purchasing until late in the year. Most of my major purchases have been over the last 6 months I guess.

I certainly don't want to upset the entire process and I seriously doubt that I could even if I wanted to. I'm just saying that IMHO 30 days after real dollars has changed hands (not just a and no pay) is a long time to wait for at least a confirmation code from the PO.
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#5649720 - 05/03/12 03:43 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Walls]
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 Originally Posted By: Walls
if you're going to call someone who's spending thousands of dollars on the board an idi0t and tell them to STFU because they have some concerns about a first time transaction with a given seller, at the very least make sure you're in the same situation.


Please keep me posted on how this works out for you.
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#5649834 - 05/03/12 04:24 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Walls]
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Walls I agree with you and think you handled it appropriately. Sounds like everything is going to work out for you, but there were plenty of warning flags justifying your concern:

- Not replying to your Take It in timely fashion
- Telling you the item was on hold (not publicly posted) but then next day saying it's yours
- Telling you he'd send a tracking #, but not hearing after a week
- Seller says item not mailed (a week after payment) and it will go out "shortly" (vague)
- No word from the seller 10 days after the last communication

Taken separately those are each pretty innocent. As a group, it's reasonable to be concerned esp. since you'd never done business with him before.

You posted here with a question and asked for opinions. You didn't flame the guy or whine about how long it took. I say you did everything right I hope it works out.

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#5649902 - 05/03/12 04:52 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Walls]
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 Originally Posted By: Walls
 Originally Posted By: Shellhead
 Originally Posted By: Povertyrow
Walls and Shellhead, while you both were fairly new here you both were members when the PL rules got heavily discussed and voted on. This occurred in July 2011.

The discussion took place in the PROBATION DISCUSSIONS thread (which is where these kinds of discussions should be taken. This thread is to actually to discuss specific nominations to the PL).

There was an announcement in July posted in Comics General as well:

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubb...rue#Post4932984


Thanks POV.

I'm a team player, so whatever the majority agrees to is fine with me. I just wanted to point out a potential process flow improvement since it seems like there have been recurring problems in this area.

I would imagine that coming up with any consensus is a bit like herding cats, so I apologize if this came across like stirring the pot.

Lastly, I thought this was the "Probation Discussions Thread"?


Back in 2011 I was still becoming acquainted with the board and I don't think I was purchasing until late in the year. Most of my major purchases have been over the last 6 months I guess.

I certainly don't want to upset the entire process and I seriously doubt that I could even if I wanted to. I'm just saying that IMHO 30 days after real dollars has changed hands (not just a and no pay) is a long time to wait for at least a confirmation code from the PO.


I can see where you are coming from, but you have to remember that that the rules are meant to cover all sales on the boards. That includes items sent without delivery confirmation, media mail, international sales, or otherwise where there is no tracking information to be sent. I guess my suggestion might be to PM the seller if quick shipping is essential.

i.e. a message along the lines of

Snake Eyes,

I want to place a conditional if you can ship within three days (or a week...essentially whatever you are looking for)

Thanks for your time,
Walls

Pretty simple to do and that way the seller can determine if that is an acceptable concession. Unfortunately, that does put you out of the running on feeding frenzy threads where quick is needed to grab a book (i.e. Foolkiller, CD4ever, Bio-Rupp, etc.) I think you will also find that in those larger threads shipping time does tend to lag a little as it can quickly get overwhelming to sort out all of the buyers and package multiple boxes.

Anyway, just my two cents as the defender of the status quo


Edited by Snake Eyes (05/03/12 04:53 PM)
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#5649978 - 05/03/12 05:14 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Snake Eyes]
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That includes items sent without delivery confirmation, media mail, international sales, or otherwise where there is no tracking information to be sent.


Delivery Confirmation is available with Media Mail.

Not that I trust it to work, but Delivery Confirmation and Signature Confirmation are available on Priority Mail International.
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#5649995 - 05/03/12 05:21 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Walls]
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 Originally Posted By: Walls
 Originally Posted By: bababooey
 Originally Posted By: Walls
Also keep in mind that I never outed the seller and my questions were process related.
If you had taken more care in hiding the seller's ID then I wouldn't have posted what I did - it took 10 seconds to find your post in the thread, how do you think I knew to advise you the international transit time, how did I know Sufunk bought in the same thread?

I'll clarify my points:
- General discussions about customer service expectations are fine even when they exceed community standards.
- General discussions about what is or is not an "acceptable life changing" event to warrant delay of books is also fine.

HOWEVER once you discuss either one where it can be related back to a specific board member then I don't think it's fair in the former or wise in the latter since you never know what the circumstances might be. I'd suggest a better effort in hiding someone's identity if you want to just ask questions or engage in general discussions.

I'm glad you got some follow up communication from the seller (10-14 business days like I said) and if you truly felt you didn't "out" the seller here then I apologize for adding the STFU graemlin thing.


It never occurred to me that someone would go and dig the information out of the posting history. I certainly never intended to out the seller, you figured that out all on your own. But now that you've brought posting history, I've reviewed your posting history as well and IMHO I wonder what makes you qualified to define/enforce buyer/seller interaction rules (other then hanging out on the board and talking alot). I don't see that you sell books, it looks like mostly you buy $5-$30 books. So unless you're doing a lot of PM purchasing, from what I can see your largest purchase is around $160 dollars.



And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that and I'm not a big book buyer either, I'm sure my $400 to $1500 dollar transactions cause some of the folks on here to roll their eyes as well but IMHO if you're going to call someone who's spending thousands of dollars on the board an idi0t and tell them to STFU because they have some concerns about a first time transaction with a given seller, at the very least make sure you're in the same situation.

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#5650031 - 05/03/12 05:35 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: seanfingh]
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 Originally Posted By: seanfingh
 Originally Posted By: Walls
if you're going to call someone who's spending thousands of dollars on the board an idi0t and tell them to STFU because they have some concerns about a first time transaction with a given seller, at the very least make sure you're in the same situation.


Please keep me posted on how this works out for you.


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#5650071 - 05/03/12 05:45 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: Ditch Fahrenheit]
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 Originally Posted By: Shellhead
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That includes items sent without delivery confirmation, media mail, international sales, or otherwise where there is no tracking information to be sent.


Delivery Confirmation is available with Media Mail.

Not that I trust it to work, but Delivery Confirmation and Signature Confirmation are available on Priority Mail International.


I am aware of that (and you are right sometimes the effectiveness is pretty spotty), but sometimes this option is not exercised by the buyer for smaller orders


Edited by Snake Eyes (05/03/12 05:47 PM)
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#5650075 - 05/03/12 05:46 PM Re: PROBATION THREAD - for forum sales problems [Re: bababooey]
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 Originally Posted By: bababooey
 Originally Posted By: Walls
 Originally Posted By: bababooey
 Originally Posted By: Walls
Also keep in mind that I never outed the seller and my questions were process related.
If you had taken more care in hiding the seller's ID then I wouldn't have posted what I did - it took 10 seconds to find your post in the thread, how do you think I knew to advise you the international transit time, how did I know Sufunk bought in the same thread?

I'll clarify my points:
- General discussions about customer service expectations are fine even when they exceed community standards.
- General discussions about what is or is not an "acceptable life changing" event to warrant delay of books is also fine.

HOWEVER once you discuss either one where it can be related back to a specific board member then I don't think it's fair in the former or wise in the latter since you never know what the circumstances might be. I'd suggest a better effort in hiding someone's identity if you want to just ask questions or engage in general discussions.

I'm glad you got some follow up communication from the seller (10-14 business days like I said) and if you truly felt you didn't "out" the seller here then I apologize for adding the STFU graemlin thing.


It never occurred to me that someone would go and dig the information out of the posting history. I certainly never intended to out the seller, you figured that out all on your own. But now that you've brought posting history, I've reviewed your posting history as well and IMHO I wonder what makes you qualified to define/enforce buyer/seller interaction rules (other then hanging out on the board and talking alot). I don't see that you sell books, it looks like mostly you buy $5-$30 books. So unless you're doing a lot of PM purchasing, from what I can see your largest purchase is around $160 dollars.



And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that and I'm not a big book buyer either, I'm sure my $400 to $1500 dollar transactions cause some of the folks on here to roll their eyes as well but IMHO if you're going to call someone who's spending thousands of dollars on the board an idi0t and tell them to STFU because they have some concerns about a first time transaction with a given seller, at the very least make sure you're in the same situation.

2c
*ahem* - Correction, I have bought $1.50 books here.
And I was quite happy with them. \:\)


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