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#3183115 - 05/22/09 01:08 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: The Resurrection]
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 Originally Posted By: The Resurrection
 Originally Posted By: Bosco685
 Originally Posted By: The Resurrection
Im hoping my peddling of junk is why you do not frequent my threads and not my grading.

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You dont because your a deek

I'm hoping this is based on Item 3 and not calling me a short version of Derrik.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Deek

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#3183155 - 05/22/09 01:24 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: Foolkiller]
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Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim
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#3183158 - 05/22/09 01:26 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: awe4one]
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 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim



I've thought the same exact thing lately as I've seen CGC 9.4's that when I received raws in that condition, I would have never thought NM. Started making me question maybe grading too strict.
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#3183350 - 05/22/09 03:06 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: awe4one]
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 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim

+1

Basically, people are expecting raw NM to look like a 9.8.
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#3183477 - 05/22/09 04:03 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: skinny_white_boy]
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I got one free ban card from Arch and I'm gonna use it on... wait... wait... where did I put it?!

GGGAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

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 Originally Posted By: skinny_white_boy
 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim

+1

Basically, people are expecting raw NM to look like a 9.8.
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#3183511 - 05/22/09 04:22 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: skinny_white_boy]
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 Originally Posted By: skinny_white_boy
 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim

+1

Basically, people are expecting raw NM to look like a 9.8.


+2

You said it.

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#3183520 - 05/22/09 04:28 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: october]
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Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? But whatever. Do not let the behavior of others destroy your inner peace. Even if it's evil.

And lurking.

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 Originally Posted By: october
 Originally Posted By: skinny_white_boy
 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim

+1

Basically, people are expecting raw NM to look like a 9.8.


+2

You said it.

-1

What about sellers that call everything "NM+" and then what you get is a Very Fine copy because they don't know how to grade?

I hear ya about the super-picky collectors that expect VF/NM listed books to be spotless NM+ beauties. But these sellers cause the bulk of the pain in distributing garbage as top-notch material. Then prospective buyers have to question everything.
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#3183525 - 05/22/09 04:33 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: Bosco685]
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 Originally Posted By: Bosco685
 Originally Posted By: october
 Originally Posted By: skinny_white_boy
 Originally Posted By: awe4one
Take this for what it's worth...and I'm not talking about the overgraders here...

But I'm starting to see a move towards much harsher expectations on raw grading than we're seeing in CGC slabs. I've bought a fair number of CGC slabs recently and am seeing defects that if they were shown here raw and listed in the same grade, people would think it was overgraded. Not saying it is...just think that the criteria for buying raw is becoming stricter than what CGC would grade it at.

I don't believe CGC is the grading authority by a long shot...but I do think the grading expectations on raw are becoming a tad too extreme.

Jim

+1

Basically, people are expecting raw NM to look like a 9.8.


+2

You said it.

-1

What about sellers that call everything "NM+" and then what you get is a Very Fine copy because they don't know how to grade?

I hear ya about the super-picky collectors that expect VF/NM listed books to be spotless NM+ beauties, but these sellers cause the bulk of the pain in distributing garbage as top-notch material. Then prospective buyers have to question everything.

Did you read Jim's first sentence? We weren't talking about overgraders, but rather buyers who's expectations are too high.
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#3183541 - 05/22/09 04:39 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: skinny_white_boy]
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Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? But whatever. Do not let the behavior of others destroy your inner peace. Even if it's evil.

And lurking.

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 Originally Posted By: skinny_white_boy
Did you read Jim's first sentence? We weren't talking about overgraders, but rather buyers who's expectations are too high.

I did Josh.

But what CGC has done is provided a standard you can compare to when you have a few books in the same condition since they will not publish what their guidelines are.

Otherwise, in the past you would get the response "I thought it was a NM from my experience."

Not saying that is a perfect approach, but it gives you something to point to that even Overstreet and others couldn't. I don't think the standard has gotten tougher - there's just something now to sit books next to side-by-side.

You're still going to have those prig buyers that demand every book be mint-perfect or they send it back to you. That is not a great experience for anyone, and unfair.
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#3183548 - 05/22/09 04:41 PM Re: Question about Trading on the Boards [Re: Bosco685]
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 Originally Posted By: Bosco685
 Originally Posted By: THE_BEYONDER
That's what I don't understand. If someone posts a book as 'NM'...and it's clearly NNM (Not NM)...why is it bad form to comment? It's bad form to overgrade your books.

I have absolutely no problem with someone commenting on my grading. \(shrug\)

But I think where the discussion took this was a good one - if you see some drastic overgrading going on, it should be okay to send a PM and discuss it offline.

It would be like folks that seriously overprice their books here, then take them to eBay and get much less. Getting into it with them in the sales thread wouldn't be a good thing, but a PM eases the tension that could occur.


I agree with you Bosco. I wouldn't want to embarrass anyone in their own thread. I think a PM is the best way to go. I personally would have zero problem with someone sending a pm to question a grade on a book. People miss defects from time to time. What is a seriously over priced book. Guide? 3/4 Guide? 1/2 Guide? From time to time I think we've all seen some raw books for sale that that are priced retardedly(is that a word?) high. I'm in a mood right now. rantrant
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