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#2908213 - 01/30/09 07:49 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: lou_fine]
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 Originally Posted By: lou_fine
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So, if and when you sell these "OO" books, are you going to sell them for exactly what you paid them?


Don't really understand your point of view here!

Are you implying that the only people who should make money on a book are speculators or those who are willing to juiced them up and then laundered them. Sounds like you are saying that any collector who buys a book and holds onto that book for an extended period of time because they want to have that book in their personal collection should only be allowed to sell them for the exact same price they originally paid for them.

To tell you the honest truth, I have much less problems with collectors making money on a book naturally over a period of time as opposed to a non-collector who simply "buys them, juices them up" and without any disclosure, flips them for a profit.

But I do understand your point of view that one is more interested in the book while the other is more interested in the money. So of course, its more important to ensure that the latter gets as much money as he can out of the game, while the former should make absolutely no money at all when he does decide to sell.

So, what is the standard waiting period? At what length of time does a sale no longer become a flip? When is it okay to sell a book and profit from the transaction? When is a greedy, juicing, pumping dealer who flips books allowed to make the same profit as a virtuous pillar of the collecting community?

You seem to imply that the longer an individual holds a book, the more of a right they have to make money from the sale. I disagree with that thought. My point is that they both have a right to profit from a transaction regardless of the length of time a book has been in their collection.

One other comment on original owner collections. Would you have liked to have been the person that purchased Jason Ewert's "original owner" books?
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#2908257 - 01/30/09 08:40 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Transplant]
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 Originally Posted By: Transplant
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Insanity - n. in-san-eh-tee - repeating the same act over & over and expecting a different result.
I like accountability better.


What exactly are they accountable for? Ewert has accountability. CGC does not. CGC went out of their way to accomodate those who got ripped off by Ewert - something they were not obligated to do.
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#2908578 - 01/30/09 11:56 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: buttock]
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 Originally Posted By: buttock
 Originally Posted By: Transplant
 Originally Posted By: buttock
Insanity - n. in-san-eh-tee - repeating the same act over & over and expecting a different result.
I like accountability better.


What exactly are they accountable for? Ewert has accountability. CGC does not. CGC went out of their way to accomodate those who got ripped off by Ewert - something they were not obligated to do.


Speaking as someone who actually got ripped off by Ewert, I think CGC has handled everything professionally. I would not ask for anything more than what they have done. I think that they have been more than accountable throughout this whole mess.
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#2908600 - 01/30/09 12:06 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Worldsbestcomics]
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 Originally Posted By: Worldsbestcomics
 Originally Posted By: buttock
 Originally Posted By: Transplant
 Originally Posted By: buttock
Insanity - n. in-san-eh-tee - repeating the same act over & over and expecting a different result.
I like accountability better.


What exactly are they accountable for? Ewert has accountability. CGC does not. CGC went out of their way to accomodate those who got ripped off by Ewert - something they were not obligated to do.


Speaking as someone who actually got ripped off by Ewert, I think CGC has handled everything professionally. I would not ask for anything more than what they have done. I think that they have been more than accountable throughout this whole mess.
I was just thinking that CGC as the company who 1) has a list of books they suspect might be trimmed and 2) who operate a registry with the numbers of the books they suspect; might decide to contact the owners of those books registered on their site. Further, it might be good PR to publish the list of books that haven't been checked so as to protect other potential buyers. Finally, I'm not suggesting that CGC buy back the books. Just let the collecting community know which ones are suspect and why others submitted by Ewert at different times or sold by him, are not.
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#2908645 - 01/30/09 12:31 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Worldsbestcomics]
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 Originally Posted By: Worldsbestcomics
Speaking as someone who actually got ripped off by Ewert, I think CGC has handled everything professionally. I would not ask for anything more than what they have done. I think that they have been more than accountable throughout this whole mess.


How did you learn you had books that should be checked?
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#2908768 - 01/30/09 01:49 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Worldsbestcomics]
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Mine was The Registry Buginator but I prefer(snip)

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 Originally Posted By: Worldsbestcomics
Speaking as someone who actually got ripped off by Ewert, I think CGC has handled everything professionally. I would not ask for anything more than what they have done. I think that they have been more than accountable throughout this whole mess.


I disagree.

So, if I bought a book that was sold by Ewert originally, but I'm now the second or third owner...who is accountable?

I just bought an Ewert book less than a year ago because CGC wasn't proactive in helping to get these books a clean bill of health. At the very least if they communicated the books to watch out for then I can assure myself that I am not buying an Ewert special. Until they do so, there are 3,000 or more books floating around in collections that may be tainted.

And the problem will be shifted to the next buyer.

I'm a big CGC fan and a purchaser of high grade books, but how are their non-actions in COMMUNICATING (much less resolving) this to people like me that depend on their service going to stop the bleeding or increase my confidence?

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#2908780 - 01/30/09 01:57 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: sterlingcomics]
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Who knows if this will do any good... but for those of you wondering, I read some of the comments here in the thread and the questions and intend to at least chat with Mark Haspel in New York. If there's something that is worthwhile reporting back on, I will. I will say that my stance is that CGC took this matter seriously and did what it could to rectify it. However, I also understand the concerns that are being voiced here.
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#2908803 - 01/30/09 02:11 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Foolkiller]
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Mine was The Registry Buginator but I prefer(snip)

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Wow. Where's the Kool Aid?

They were serious. In self-preservation. In doing damage control. In protecting their interests. And as a for-profit business, their interests are clear. And I'm ok with that.

But let this be clear. They have been good in "making good" on their mistakes on a re-active basis, but in terms of their ability to act in the interests of collectors who buy products from their services, they have done nothing in my opinion. And...that frustrates me as someone that is a customer uses their services and as a collector that depend on their expertise.

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#2908807 - 01/30/09 02:13 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: sterlingcomics]
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 Originally Posted By: sterlingcomics
Wow. Where's the Kool Aid?

They were serious. In self-preservation. In doing damage control. In protecting their interests. And as a for-profit business, their interests are clear. And I'm ok with that.

But let this be clear. They have been good in "making good" on their mistakes on a re-active basis, but in terms of their ability to act in the interests of collectors who buy products from their services, they have done nothing in my opinion. And...that frustrates me as someone that both uses their services and as a collector that depend on their expertise.


What's your proposal for what you'd like to see them do?
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#2908819 - 01/30/09 02:21 PM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Foolkiller]
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I think all the people repeatedly crying about not getting a custom title should be inducted into the "Crybaby Crew", and forever carry that as their custom title!

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 Originally Posted By: Foolkiller
Who knows if this will do any good... but for those of you wondering, I read some of the comments here in the thread and the questions and intend to at least chat with Mark Haspel in New York. If there's something that is worthwhile reporting back on, I will. I will say that my stance is that CGC took this matter seriously and did what it could to rectify it. However, I also understand the concerns that are being voiced here.


Great Brian, it would be great if you would ask Mark if their reluctance to release the full list of serial numbers of Ewert submissions from the "suspect period" remains a privacy issue (they don't release customer records).

As I recall, this is one of the (the?) main reasons CGC didn't release the full list 3 years ago when the trimming was originally discovered.

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