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#2876616 - 01/16/09 10:50 AM CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books
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 Originally Posted By: plitch
Hello everyone,

Please excuse the lengthy “shotgun” style post. We are going to address a few concerns that have been raised in various threads.

First, CGC’s policy has not changed since 2006 when Harshen posted the following:

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As we stated in Sept of last year, CGC will review any CGC-certified book purchased from Jason Ewert (eBay id: ejanter) between September 2004 and September 2005. Other than shipping, there will be no charge for this review.
Please contact CGC Customer Service for submission instructions at submissions@cgccomics.com or 1-877-NM.COMICS.

Harshen Patel
V.P. of Operations


We still stand by this and it will be reposted as a sticky today. Why was it removed? Until books were sent in recently, CGC hadn’t been sent a single comic book purchased from Jason Ewert for review in over a year. This recent review submission was prompted because of the diligent attention of message board members, so we’re appreciative of these efforts.

Please email Harshen directly if you have concerns about specific books in your collection (hpatel@cgccomics.com). The list of submission numbers that have been compiled elsewhere is comprehensive, but also inaccurate. It is a list of books sold by Jason Ewert, not a list of those submitted by him. Only books submitted to CGC for certification by Ewert are eligible to be sent in for review. If you have a book on that list, contact Harshen and he will tell you if it should be reviewed.

Out of the number of books submitted by Jason Ewert that CGC has reviewed, the percentage found to be micro-trimmed is less than 10%.

Chat Board members have raised concerns regarding the detection of micro-trimming. Inherently, it is very hard to detect. Because of our significant attention to this form of alteration, we have developed a consistent methodology which we believe allows CGC to identify micro-trimming with a high degree of accuracy. While no one in our industry can promise to identify this type of alteration 100% of the time, I believe that our process is as good as any currently available. Are we going to reveal how to spot micro-trimming? Not on a chat board. That information might be used for dishonest purposes.

Some Chat Board members have put forth the misconception that CGC restoration designations have changed since we opened, specifically that restored books can be placed in a Universal Label. First, the important thing to note is that detected restoration is ALWAYS DISCLOSED by CGC. Our policy concerning whether a comic gets a Universal or Restored label is unchanged and our procedure for this has been on the back of each and every CGC label since we opened. On the back of the CGC label, the Certification Notice reads: “At the sole discretion of CGC, very minor color-touch or glue may be assigned a marked and color coded “Universal” label, however, a description of the detected restoration, in general or specific terms, will be disclosed.”

When restoration is detected by CGC, it is always disclosed on the CGC label in the “Grading Text” field, which is the line directly above the page quality description. A Universal Label might be used if it is a book from 1950 or earlier and has very minor amount of glue or color touch. Many of these books that we designated as a Universal have 1 or 2 dots of glue or color touch at the top or bottom spine. In every case it is very minor. In addition, CGC factors the minor restoration into the overall grade of the book by downgrading it 1 step from the grade it would otherwise receive.

If you have any specific questions, please call 1-877-662-6642; contact those of us that are on the boards via PM or contact us via email. Thanks.


Just wanted to make sure people saw this since the other thread is now locked where it first appeared.
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#2876623 - 01/16/09 10:51 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Transplant]
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And I'll post my question here as well..

Plitch...if you say the Ewert submission list posted on this Board is in error, why don't you just release the Ewert submission list and save everyone some time? Why are you making the customers guess instead of proactively helping them to determine if they have an Ewert slab? That's the only way to put this issue to bed...

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#2876632 - 01/16/09 10:56 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Transplant]
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 Originally Posted By: plitch
We still stand by this and it will be reposted as a sticky today. Why was it removed? Until books were sent in recently, CGC hadn’t been sent a single comic book purchased from Jason Ewert for review in over a year. This recent review submission was prompted because of the diligent attention of message board members, so we’re appreciative of these efforts.
Is this because CGC checks the cert # of every re-sub it gets or b/c someone questioned about whether their book was a Ewert sub?
 Originally Posted By: plitch

Please email Harshen directly if you have concerns about specific books in your collection (hpatel@cgccomics.com). The list of submission numbers that have been compiled elsewhere is comprehensive, but also inaccurate. It is a list of books sold by Jason Ewert, not a list of those submitted by him. Only books submitted to CGC for certification by Ewert are eligible to be sent in for review. If you have a book on that list, contact Harshen and he will tell you if it should be reviewed.

Out of the number of books submitted by Jason Ewert that CGC has reviewed, the percentage found to be micro-trimmed is less than 10%.


1) Why won't CGC simply release a list of the cert #s for books that were submitted by Ewert?
2) Why doesn't CGC proactively contact registry members who have such a book?
3) Is anyone else troubled that the % of Ewert submitted books, which were trimmed, is close to 10%?

I am thankful CGC has at least addressed the questions raised for weeks now. But frankly, I think the answer is lacking.
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#2876650 - 01/16/09 11:03 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Transplant]
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 Originally Posted By: Transplant
3) Is anyone else troubled that the % of Ewert submitted books, which were trimmed, is close to 10%?


No, those are only the micro-trimmed books that CGC has certified as being micro-trimmed, and by their own admission of not being able to catch them all, the real percentage will be higher.

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#2876653 - 01/16/09 11:05 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: Transplant]
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 Originally Posted By: Transplant


2) Why doesn't CGC proactively contact registry members who have such a book?


Excellent question. It seems like it would be very easy to accomplish.
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#2876657 - 01/16/09 11:06 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: joe_collector]
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 Originally Posted By: joe_collector
 Originally Posted By: Transplant
3) Is anyone else troubled that the % of Ewert submitted books, which were trimmed, is close to 10%?


No, those are only the micro-trimmed books that CGC has certified as being micro-trimmed, and by their own admission of not being able to catch them all, the real percentage will be higher.


Well in their defense, they know the books they need to be paying special attention to when they were/are returned.
And obviously if they can spot some, there is something about micro trimming that gives it away.
Therefore I suspect their revision work should have a fairly good strike rate \(shrug\)

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#2876659 - 01/16/09 11:06 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: BlowUpTheMoon]
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This is going to be very interesting. When I read this stuff, I am actually happy with my modern/copper slabs ..
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#2876674 - 01/16/09 11:11 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: The Resurrection]
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Oh, and another question for CGC...

Why is Tom Brulato no longer reimbursing purchase price in the event of a book being determined to have been trimmed? \(shrug\)
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#2876676 - 01/16/09 11:13 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: The Resurrection]
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As we stated in Sept of last year, CGC will review any CGC-certified book purchased from Jason Ewert (eBay id: ejanter) between September 2004 and September 2005.

 Originally Posted By: plitch

Please email Harshen directly if you have concerns about specific books in your collection (hpatel@cgccomics.com). The list of submission numbers that have been compiled elsewhere is comprehensive, but also inaccurate. It is a list of books sold by Jason Ewert, not a list of those submitted by him. Only books submitted to CGC for certification by Ewert are eligible to be sent in for review. If you have a book on that list, contact Harshen and he will tell you if it should be reviewed.

Not to keep going but the original post/offer to review seemed to concentrate on books sold by Ewert and not just those submitted to CGC by him. Which raises the following question:

Why was the 09/04 to 09/05 period chosen? Is there any reason to think that he didn't trim books before then or after then?
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#2876682 - 01/16/09 11:18 AM Re: CGC Response on Suspected Ewert Books [Re: awe4one]
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 Originally Posted By: awe4one
... why don't you just release the Ewert submission list and save everyone some time?
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