#1326781 - 08/20/0609:43 PMRe: I nominate
[Re: tth2]
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y'know, as a sidenote, I was talking with Gary Platt today at the local Philly show, and he seemed to think that there are few collectors who are informed about pressing, and that the overwhelming majority of his customers would like it disclosed -- i.e. that's why you have high grade so that it's naturally preserved, not pressed into something it's not -- takes away from the scarcity.
While I'm not moved either way by pressing... if that's what the people want... at any rate, I applaud anyone willing to take their own time to lend a hand to this project, it's really a worthwhile effort.
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Quote: I've already stated that any role I played on a committee as suggested would not stop me from continued involvement in other areas of examination.
Tim, your point about the formalization of a line of communication is dead on. See my long, characteristically verbose post in the "I hate when this happens" thread.
Bottom line is that the level of utility of the committee will quickly be shown......if it tanks, it tanks. I'm willing to risk a little time on it.
Brad
As I said, this is why I still support the effort. Similar to the NOD, there is nothing to lose, but everything to gain, by trying.
Quote: I almost get the impression from your and Frank Daniel's posts that people think the creation of the committee means everyone else has to stop being a detective and publicly ID-ing lost pedigree books. I don't think that's the case at all, and I would not want to place that kind of burden on the committee. The committee would look for books, but everyone else would still be an "eye" too. It's just that now there would be a committee that would function as a conduit to filter/confirm identified books and convey that information to CGC to react accordingly.
I can't speak for Frank, but that is not what I think, though I could see that possibly happening on a small scale as an unintended consequence. I think my concern is more akin to this being your sentence instead:
I almost get the impression from your and Frank Daniel's posts that CGC thinks the creation of the committee means everyone else has to stop being a detective and publicly ID-ing lost pedigree books.
No one has ever satisfactorily answered this question that I’ve asked many times: “Why does it matter whether toning occurred over a period of 80 years in a 2x2 envelope or overnight in a petri dish if the end results are indistinguishable?” In each case the purchaser is buying exactly what he wants: a coin with pretty color.
Calling a process “coin doctoring” is a conclusion that plays on emotions without providing an answer. And it’s pointless to talk about disclosure to prospective buyers unless there’s a legitimate distinction between artificial and natural toning. Someone please tell me what it is.
I pointed out a while ago that paper money collectors are also dealing with a similar debate of their form of pressing.
Quote: y'know, as a sidenote, I was talking with Gary Platt today at the local Philly show, and he seemed to think that there are few collectors who are informed about pressing, and that the overwhelming majority of his customers would like it disclosed -- i.e. that's why you have high grade so that it's naturally preserved, not pressed into something it's not -- takes away from the scarcity.
While I'm not moved either way by pressing... if that's what the people want... at any rate, I applaud anyone willing to take their own time to lend a hand to this project, it's really a worthwhile effort.
I do believe that this is exactly what many of us have been saying for quite awhile and the reason for the NOD being created.
#1326787 - 08/20/0610:11 PMRe: I nominate
[Re: Foolkiller]
tth2tth2 "I blame it on the low quality of the newbies that are joining the boards." --And with one swoop tth2 become the community crotchety old man. Damn kids today.
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Quote: y'know, as a sidenote, I was talking with Gary Platt today at the local Philly show, and he seemed to think that there are few collectors who are informed about pressing, and that the overwhelming majority of his customers would like it disclosed -- i.e. that's why you have high grade so that it's naturally preserved, not pressed into something it's not -- takes away from the scarcity.
#1326790 - 08/20/0610:28 PMRe: I nominate
[Re: Foolkiller]
tth2tth2 "I blame it on the low quality of the newbies that are joining the boards." --And with one swoop tth2 become the community crotchety old man. Damn kids today.
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Quote: It's just a side note guys, not any evidence of anything --
I prefer to think that it's anecdotal evidence that what I've been saying isn't the rantings of some lunatic fringe nut case.
