#1231436 - 06/07/06 04:15 PM
Pressed or not pressed?
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taxguy
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Spectre52 (AKA Classics Incorporated AKA Matt Nelson) has a bunch of ultra high grade silver and bronze on Ebay again. Amazing how he consistently comes up with this material. As usual, there's no indication on the listings that any books have been pressed. In fact, the listings outright say "guaranteed unrestored." You know it's one thing to play this little game of "I won't disclose my pressing unless someone asks." But to blatently guarantee that books are unrestored when a huge community of collectors (if not most collectors) consider pressing to be restoration is outright diabolical in my humble opinion.
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#1231437 - 06/07/06 04:29 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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#1231438 - 06/07/06 04:55 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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taxguy
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Just be honest.
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#1231439 - 06/07/06 05:06 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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nik
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To be totally honest, the books he is selling are in a CGC case. As far as I know, CGC does not consider pressing to be restoration. So I dont see how he is being dishonest. If there is a book you want but do not like pressing, I am sure he would be upfront if you asked him about it.
Unless CGC change their stance on pressing and can prove it consistently, buying high grade slabs will for the most part be a crapshoot on big $$$ books.
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#1231441 - 06/07/06 05:17 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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To be totally honest, the books he is selling are in a CGC case. As far as I know, CGC does not consider pressing to be restoration.
But does it? Frankly, CGC doesn't know what it thinks, which is part of the reason why it does lousy in the realm of public affairs.
I know what CGC’s president and primary grader, Steve Borock, thinks. He has consistently stated on the CGC Message Board, “CGC's position on this ‘matter’ has always been the same, we do not consider pressing restoration….”
Yet its own online glossary definitions invites inconsistent interpretations. There one can find a definition of Comic Book Restoration as “any attempt, amateur or professional, to enhance the appearance of a comic book.” What is pressing if not the attempt to “enhance the appearance of a comic book”?
So I ask you [rhetorically] what actually is CGC's position?
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#1231442 - 06/07/06 05:19 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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Unless CGC change their stance on pressing and can prove it consistently, buying high grade slabs will for the most part be a crapshoot on big $$$ books.
Then don't do any resto check because we know they can't prove any resto consistently and they don't gurantee anything they do or don't find anyway. All books should be blue.
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#1231444 - 06/07/06 05:33 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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nik
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Look, I just tried to answer the posters question honestly. Yes I know they have missed resto on a small percentage, they missed trimming yes I know this also.
Hypothetical question, dont know what you buy or collect but, 2 sellers offering an FF48, one is slabbed 9.0 the other the seller says is in VF/NM, you want this book, now seriously which one you going to go after.
I would love to buy all my books raw but its unrealistic, cant make every show and fight with crowds at cons so my choices are limited, my alternative is the internet. I dont know about you but there is no way in hell I would drop $$ based on a scan for a raw book from someone I never dealt with, but I would feel more secure buying the slabbed copy knowing that CGC is not foolproof.
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#1231445 - 06/07/06 05:41 PM
Re: Pressed or not pressed?
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esquirecomics
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So, perhaps someone should contact CGC and ask them to explain their definition of "Comic Book Restoration"?
I know CGC is aware of the article I wrote that addressed this point. I sent it directly to Borock, and there are at least 2 threads that have discussed it.
Yet, CGC remains silent on this point. Big mistake that will bit them eventually, especially if Overstreet maintains its definition that pressing is restoration. IMHO.
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